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Hydrochloric acid instead of Citric acid? 28 Feb 2016 22:32 #51285

Tillerman6 Topic Author Offline Premium Member 66 yr old male. Posts: 101 Thank you received: 58	Hi all, just wondering if I need the 4% or the 5% HCl acid to make a 1:1 MMS solution? I want to still mix drop for drop if possible. I see in the videos that there is some confusion about what percentage should be used, and also that the citric acid (50-50) is no longer being reccomended for those with sensitive stomachs. Thanks in advance! Tillerman6
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Hydrochloric acid instead of Citric acid? 28 Feb 2016 22:37 #51286

CLO2 Offline Platinum Member Posts: 5397 Thank you received: 4262	4% HCL is what the G2C now recommends. Yes, 50% citric acid causes stomach discomfort in many people and for most, citric acid tastes terrible. 4% HCL tastes much better. You can make MMS1, 3000 ppm CDS and CDH with 4% HCL and MMS. There is no longer any need for 5% HCL or 10% HCL.
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Hydrochloric acid instead of Citric acid? 29 Feb 2016 20:47 #51294

Karen Offline Junior Member Posts: 35 Thank you received: 3	Wow, I am outdated on this stuff! I am so confused. CDH, CDL, CDS, All I know is MMS1 w/citric acid. Now there is a new book, too! Is there a video on this because I'm just lost now.
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Hydrochloric acid instead of Citric acid? 01 Mar 2016 03:37 #51297

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... and there is going to be even more confusion. The newest activator is NaHSO4 - SODIUM HYDROGEN SULFATE. It has been used more and more, supposedly having better activation property, minimizing the impurities in the sacrament. As far as I know It has been mainly used in production CDS and they call it CDS2. Supposedly the idea came from my old fatherland. I have no personal experience with it but we are going to hear about it for sure.

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Hydrochloric acid instead of Citric acid? 01 Mar 2016 04:30 #51298

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Karen, on the left side of this page is a button with links to "Church Sacraments".

There are two videos on making CDH and the one made by Mark Grenon is not using the original recipe. The original recipe is shown in the other video and is known to last 2 weeks when made with 4% HCL and has 2 months shelf life when 2% HCL is used to activate the MMS in CDH. The shelf life of Mark Grenon's "CDH" is unknown.

CDS came out 3 or 4 years ago. Be aware that there is also an original recipe and a newer one with added MMS. As far as I know, the newer one has not been tested for effectiveness over time. It is suspected that the added MMS will not be effective beyond 2 weeks, the same as CDH made with 4% HCL.

The newer CDS recipe with added MMS may be beneficial for ingestion, for those with normal stomach acid, but may not be the best sacrament for external uses. Most people using CDS want only CLO2 in distilled water and nothing else. Adding MMS to CDS defeats the original idea behind CDS of having pure CLO2 in water.

The original CDS will be effective at least one year if kept in a fridge. A chemist and forum member, Tomas, reports a liter of CDS in his fridge lost only 6% of its CLO2 after one year.

CDS is easy to make at home and is much more affordable than buying it. It is made with MMS and 4% HCL or 50% citric acid and now HS as Libortx tell us. HS seems to be popular in Europe.

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Hydrochloric acid instead of Citric acid? 01 Mar 2016 15:42 #51301

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Thank you. My friends and I use 1tbl citric acid + 1tbl distilled water for our activator for many yrs. now and I read in Jim H.'s newsletter that the gas in water method was not as good as mms1. Knowing that, we have just stayed w/mms1. We usually have good results w/everything, but if there's an easier way -besides the tablets- I want to know about it.
Question: are any of these other ways more effective?
I'll watch the videos.

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Hydrochloric acid instead of Citric acid? 01 Mar 2016 19:25 #51302

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I read in Jim H.'s newsletter that the gas in water method was not as good as mms1. Knowing that, we have just stayed w/mms1.

What you read about Jim saying that CDS was not as good as MMS1 has been retracted.

There were two mistakes in saying that CDS (and CDH) were inferior to MMS1.

One was that CDS and CDH internal dosing was too low for years due to a misunderstanding.

Second was a measurement error by Jim where he said CDS and CDH were neutralized by stomach acid. That is not true. His CLO2 test strips were inaccurate for the tests he was preforming.

He issued newsletters apologizing for his mistakes.

Many people have problems using 50% citric acid; bad taste and upset stomach. 4% HCL is much better than citric acid.

I think there is a best sacrament for each application. For ingestion, MMS1 or CDH may be the best choice. For external use, in enemas and douches, then CDS may be the best sacrament to use.

Someday, the G2C might publish a list of ailments vs sacrament(s) along with recommended protocols for each ailment or class of ailments as they have done in the past. Jim's latest book only specifies using MMS1 and a general method of restoring health, leaving the choice of sacraments and protocols to the user.

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