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Urgent question regarding using chloride dioxide tablets with DMSO 27 Mar 2021 03:05 #68444

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Hello all. I'm new to MMS and this forum, and want to use CD urgently as a topical application with DMSO on a tumor. MMS has been banned here and is hard to get quickly, so I sourced some chlorine dioxide tablets. They should be pretty safe to use on the skin, right? But trying to quickly get familiar with how it works makes me think it doesn't last long in water after dissolving. So how should I use CD in a DMSO/CD protocol with CD tablets instead of MMS/activator so that it is effective?
Thanks, and sorry I haven't yet been able to read everything if my question has already been answered.

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I have some new information.
I was able to find this on how to dilute chlorine dioxide.
www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/cds_how_to_dilute.pdf

It says
It has been postulated by MMS team that:
One Standard DOSE of CDS is 1 ml of 3000 ppm CDS (equivalent to 3 drops of activated MMS1 = 3 mg ClO2)

To do protocol 3000, 10 drops of MMS is required to be mixed with 10 drops 50% citric acid.
That is according to my calculations from the information in the PDF 10mg ClO2 in the equivalent of 10 drops water (3.3ml) total.
The protocol says to mix with 20 drops of water (6.6ml), or more if it produces irritation. That produces 10mg/10ml ClO2 in water.
And add to this 5ml DMSO.

This is confusing part is I think 1 drop from a regular dropper is 0.05ml, or 1ml has 20 drops, thus 3 drops is 0.15ml.

Do my calculations seem correct?
And how soon do I use this formula or how long does it keep for once mixed?
I don't mind in your post replies if you explain it to me like I know nothing at all, because it is very possible I missed crucial elementary things to know about MMS in my haste to learn about it. Thanks!


 

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Urgent question regarding using chloride dioxide tablets with DMSO 27 Mar 2021 08:15 #68448

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"One Standard DOSE of CDS is 1 ml of 3000 ppm CDS (equivalent to 3 drops of activated MMS1) = 3 mg ClO2)" 

Part of that statement is wrong. Andreas Kalcker seems to be the one who first proposed it and in his first book, he apologized for having said it. Today he says it is likely that 1ml of 3000 ppm CDS may be equal to a 1 drop dose of MMS1. The problem is no one knows how much more CLO2 will be released from residual MMS in MMS1 in the presence of stomach acid. 

"This is confusing part is I think 1 drop from a regular dropper is 0.05ml, or 1ml has 20 drops, thus 3 drops is 0.15ml. Do my calculations seem correct?"

Yes, if the standard used is 20 drops to a milliliter, then each drop is 0.05ml. If you use a 1ml syringe, you can easily measure that. 

The question about your CLO2 tablets is, how much CLO2 do they provide? If they are used to purify water, they probably won't provide much CLO2 when added to water. So, if it was me wanting to use them for a topical application, I would add one or more tablets to a very small amount of water and apply some of that liquid to the tumor. Then I would add a tiny amount of DMSO on top of the CD and tumor. Keep the CD solution in a tightly sealed, small mouth bottle in a fridge. 

If you can purchase sodium chlorite flakes and citric acid crystals, I can help you make MMS1, CDS and CDH using those two ingredients. 

pforlife.com  has both and will ship to most locations. 

mmsinfo.org/misc/CDH_Dry_SC_CA-01.pdf

The CDH you see in the bottle can be applied full-strength to the tumor followed by some DMSO.
 

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Urgent question regarding using chloride dioxide tablets with DMSO 27 Mar 2021 09:17 #68449

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Thanks so much for your help and clarification!

The tablets I have are 4g and treat up to 100-400 liters per tablet. (Much more than I thought as prior to checking I assumed they'd be around 40mg). I plan to quarter (1g), without skin contact apparently, and dilute with water. (I am being conservative with my limited tablets, as dissolving a whole tablet with more water and using that would be more accurate). It seems like chlorine dioxide aqueous solution can be made by just dropping a tablet in water. How to make Chlorine Dioxide aqueous solution

It's very true I have absolutely no certainty how much chlorine dioxide would be dissolved in the water or how long the gas will stay dissolved. However the solution in the above video seems to be like the CD solution they made up here which only stays active for about 15 minutes once mixed with water (the water becomes "safe to drink" after 15 minutes -- my pack says wait 12 hours though). I suppose if it were easy or reliable to make CDS using tablets there'd be more information about it than I have been able to find (which is virtually nil in relation to health uses)! I will seal it and put it in the fridge to see if it keeps, thanks for that advice.

Have no worry, I don't plan on relying on chlorine dioxide tablets because I want something tried and true. It is only a stop gap solution (pardon the unintentional pun) before I can get my hands on some real MMS or sodium chlorite and citric acid.

"Today he says it is likely that 1ml of 3000 ppm CDS may be equal to a 1 drop dose of MMS1."

If 1 drop dose is 1ml of 3000ppm CDS, then 10 drops contains 30mg of CD.
I was wrong in my original calculations - 10 drops MMS + 10 drops citric acid + 20 drops water = 40 drops = 2ml total
So I need about 30mg in 2ml of water (or more depending if it's irritating).
For the sake of easy calculation I will make 30mg/3ml water.
If I quarter my tablet (1g) dissolve it in 100ml water that gives 1000mg/100ml or 10mg/ml. 3mls of that will be what I need to add to 5ml of DMSO.
Please note: Do not rely on my calculations if anyone else wants to try this. Also I don't know if homemade chlorine dioxide the way I am making it works or is completely ineffective. Thirdly, the measurements could be way off doing it this way.
I will test my batches carefully for skin use.

Thanks again for your help!

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Urgent question regarding using chloride dioxide tablets with DMSO 27 Mar 2021 15:05 #68450

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Additional safety information I found about chlorine dioxide:

How can chlorine dioxide be stored?
The best way to store chlorine dioxide is as a liquid at 4 ºC. At this state it is fairly stable. Chlorine dioxide cannot be stored for too long, because it slowly dissociates into chlorine and oxygen . It is rarely stored as a gas, because it is explosive under pressure. When concentrations are higher than 10% chlorine dioxide in air, there is an explosion hazard. In a watery solution, chlorine dioxide remain stable and soluble. Watery solutions containing approximately 1% ClO2 (10 g/L) can safely be stored, under the condition that they are protected from light and heat interference. Chlorine dioxide is rarely transported, because of its explosiveness and instability. It is usually manufactured on site.

Having read that I will be dissolving my tablet into refrigerated 4 ºC water (and storing it in the fridge as you suggested). The concentration I was going to mix it would have been 1% ClO2. (10mg/ml = 10g/L) but I am going to make it much more dilute to lower the risk. It's probably not a good idea to mix at 30mg/2ml if anyone still follows. What ultimately matters more - the concentration or the total dose?

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Urgent question regarding using chloride dioxide tablets with DMSO 27 Mar 2021 17:31 #68453

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The original use for those tablets is to purify water for drinking and if a large quantity of water is treated, most likely there won't be a cover for the water container. So, there will be a large loss of CLO2 gas into the air. 

If you activate them in cold water in a closed container with a lid, CLO2 gas should stay in the water. 

For topical use on a tumor you want high CLO2 concentration. I have found that healthy skin is not affected by 10,000 ppm CLO2 water. 

There was a pre-cancer on my forehead that was gone in about 2 weeks time by applying strong CDS with a cotton swab and DMSO a few times a day. It never came back. 

I have measured CDS that had been stored for one year in a fridge and so did a chemist a few years ago. There was not much loss of CLO2 gas when measured with photometers. One of the reagents used for measuring CLO2 removes any free chlorine, so the measurement was accurate for CLO2 as far as I know. The chemist found the same result. 
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