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First off, congrats! Way to go on completing the first protocol!

Yes, I heard the same thing about avoiding caffeine, antioxidants, etc for at least 2 hrs before taking a dose.

The reason that Andreas Kalker said was if you take the above, it lowers the efficacy of the MMS (chlorine dioxide = sodium chlorite + citric acid) / CD (chlorine dioxide = sodium chlorite + hydrochloric acid).

My wife is taking 6 activated drops in 4 oz of water every other day for maintenance (she prefers the evening). If she feels unwell she will take 6 activated drops in the morning and 6 activated drops in the evening too - again, every other day.

I was taking 24 activated drops in 8 oz of water daily for a week (8 doses - 1 oz per hr for 8 hrs straight). I used a jar that had measurements on the side so I knew how much to drink. I was eating during my day and just making sure there was at least 30 mins from finishing eating before taking another dose.

I was not perfectly timing everything just being sure to leave 30 mins after eating before taking another dose.

I too was making sure there was at least 2 hrs or 90 minutes if I had coffee, antioxidants, etc, before I took a dose. Aside from food, I didn't have any caffeine, antioxidants during the day to try and keep things as pure as I can while taking my doses. I did have a coffee in the morning and just made sure I let enough time elapse before I took my first dose.

Again, anything we intake while doing a protocol might lower the efficacy. Thats all I read about the downside from Andreas Kalker in the Forbidden Health book. You may want to consider purchasing the book. It helped me.

I am doing CD not MMS. I believe the only difference is MMS uses citric acid instead of hydrochloric acid along with sodium chlorite. I could be wrong but I believe thats the only difference Andreas mentioned.

Hopefully this helps at least a bit.

 

haneyjack7 wrote:

Hi there, I'm posting to this discussion because I'm looking for a similar answer. So after doing the initial 1000 protocol, which I believe is the standard one to start with, what would be the maintenance for a woman approx 150 lbs? What about a woman at !35 lbs?

Also, I have one set of instructions that state not to use coffee, any antioxidant, vit. c, tea, milk or alcohol, while doing protocol. But then stated it wasn't necessary to eliminate these totally but just avoid them 60-90  minutes before and after a dose of activated MMS. 
My friend's instruction does not state the same thing. Maybe I have an older protocol and hers is newer.?? Can anyone tell me whether or not we have to totally avoid these during the initial protocol period or can we still have some of these as stated above.
I don't think it's possible to take any of these during the 8 hrs. of doing the protocol, but am wondering if before and after we can have these as long as it's 60-90 mins. from last dose.
I would appreciate any help on this.
Thanks

Maintenance doses are according to weight and age.  In Jim Humble's book, for maintenance he says:

Adults over 200lb AND also over 60 years old: 8 drops/day
Adults over 200lb AND also UNDER 60 years old: 8 drops 3x/week.

Adults 100-200lb AND also over 60 years old:  6 drops/day
Adults 100-200lb AND also UNDER 60 years old: 6 drops 3x/week

You take all the drops in one big dose in the normal 4oz (1/2 cup) of water.

And you are correct, also according to Humble's protocol you want to avoid (quoted from book): "alcohol, chocolate, coffee, decaffeinated coffee, caffeinated drinks, tea (black, green, and many herbal teas), milk, coconut water, orange juice, tangerine juice or any drinks with added Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)."  Also avoid foods and supplements that are particularly high in antioxidants. (Humble generally recommends to stop all supplements during protocols if you can as to not feed pathogens/parasites while trying to get rid of them.)

Quoted from book again, "It is better to wait until you finish your MMS doses for the day before consuming the above items, or take them first thing in the morning, then wait two hours before starting MMS dosing. Space them out by at least 2 hours after your last daily dose, or two hours before starting your daily dosing."

Hope these help!!

beyondyours wrote:

I am doing CD not MMS. I believe the only difference is MMS uses citric acid instead of hydrochloric acid along with sodium chlorite. I could be wrong but I believe thats the only difference Andreas mentioned.



 

I think it can get super confusing when all of the abbreviations associated with Chlorine Dioxide start getting used!! lol! Anyone else feel that way??  This is why I believe it is so important to get the book or books by the person whose protocols you want to follow. While the forums and internet are full of the information, there's a lot of inconsistency in how people refer to these things!  

When people say MMS it is a solution of 22.4% Sodium Chlorite plus an activator of either citric acid or 4% hydrochloric acid (HCl being preferred). One drop of each, mixed, makes one activated drop of "MMS" which is Chlorine Dioxide.  (To make it even more confusing but something good to know while using the forums:  In Humble's book, he refers to MMS as UNACTIVATED Chlorine Dioxide. When it is activated--the way we take it as mixed drops in water--he calls it MMS1.)

When people say CD (Chlorine Dioxide)instead of MMS they are referring to the gas molecules that are transferred to water, and then you drink the water. That is a whole other way to make your Chlorine Dioxide.  You can make a larger batch, and it can be stored in your fridge and it lasts longer than making hourly doses fresh. (Of note: Jim Humble calls this form CDH--Chlorine Dioxide Holding. lol...)

We have to be careful when talking about these doses because they are not measured the same! 

I follow Humble's protocols but do know some about Andreas Kalcker's.  I feel like for beginners, one should choose one person to follow and stick with their instructions and protocols to keep things simple. Like I said before, buy their books so you have answers at your fingertips!  Once a person is more comfortable with using it and understanding and have a protocol or two under your belt, then she can more safely venture out into more information.  Just my opinion!

I totally agree! Pick a person to follow and run with it. 

I was not sure about the names that I really dug into them to figure out what was what.

Just to add some additional light, CDS is referring to the gas molecules that are transferred to water (Chlorine Dioxide Solution). Remember the "S" on the end.

CD is Chlorine Dioxide (Sodium Chlorite + Hydrochloric Acid).

Andreas says the only difference between MMS and CD is that MMS uses Citric Acid and CD uses Hydrochloric Acid.

Hope this adds some clarity.

Again, pick someone to follow and go with it as SillyGoLucky said!

Happy Health everyone!
 

beyondyours wrote:

I totally agree! Pick a person to follow and run with it. 

I was not sure about the names that I really dug into them to figure out what was what.

Just to add some additional light, CDS is referring to the gas molecules that are transferred to water (Chlorine Dioxide Solution). Remember the "S" on the end.

CD is Chlorine Dioxide (Sodium Chlorite + Hydrochloric Acid).

Andreas says the only difference between MMS and CD is that MMS uses Citric Acid and CD uses Hydrochloric Acid.

 

That isn't correct from what I understand. You can use either Citric Acid or Hydrochloric Acid to make CDS. 

Yes I stand corrected. Love this group as it helped me get started.

Here's a copy-paste from Andreas book:


MMS: The combination of chlorine dioxide (NaClO2) activated with citric acid

CD: The combination of chlorine dioxide (NaClO2) activated with hydrochloric acid

CDS: The gas from dissolving either combination in water


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Precaution - Using citric acid as an activator can provoke intestinal acidosis in sensitive individuals causing diarrhea, discomfort, and Citro-bacteria (bacteria that feeds on citrates). This mix is never used anymore, although it is equally effective. Note: Citric acid can be used to make CDS because it doesn’t go in the final mix. We only use the gas created.
 

My wife and I both did our protocol 1000 a year and a half ago with very favourable results, my wife was fully cured from hypoglosemia for which we are both very grateful. To maintain this restoration to her health she has not had to do strict maintenance on MMS. We both do mild maintenance but not on a rigid schedule. Much like Jim Humble says in his book about the number of drops you do on protocol 1000, he writes "do what works best for you". We stayed with two activated drops per hour for the 21 days with great results. If you have a serious condition like cancer you may have a battle with time as to 'who wins'. I told a friend with bladder cancer to start the drops. He progressed to 4 drops per hour but in a few days realized that was more than his body could handle and had to cut back. His enthusiasm for the MMS cure pushed him beyond his tolerance. In such a case some people give up which is too bad, thankfully he cut way back... I wish he would have stayed steady with a workable dosage all along. Long story short, he is now cancer free. In the case where people are high risk for, let's say cancer, it's far more important to stick with a decent and workable maintenance protocol if you initially beat cancer but now wish to remain cancer free. If you're not fighting serious illness don't go overboard with maintenance. Eating healthy food, taking good supplements and herbs along with exercise are equally important in maintaining good health. The body was not designed to live with large amounts of MMS to start with, it does produce the same chemical itself to look after detoxification etc. but not enough during high stress and attack from disease and this is when we need to measure out additional help from taking more drops. Jim's book says that MMS will combine with heavy metals etc for removal which is great but I agree with our highly respected Naturopath that you do need to add back to the body certain minerals that will also be depleted with a heavy duty detox program. I have personally dicovered that I need more potassium and calcium when I'm on protocol 1000. To take some trace minerals would also be important. I say all this to put some balance to the use of MMS, you already know I'm a big believer in it. Work with your body not against it!! 

A Merry heart does good like a medicine!  Proverbs 17:22

Hello beyondyours, it's not clear what the date is of your message, but Jim Humble's site is alive, and his book can be ordered. I've chosen the e-book version, and it all worked fine. This was about 3 weeks ago, the start of September 2021. Have you tried Amazon and other publishers? Andreas Kalcker, now very active with MMS,  also giving courses online, also offers guidance in writing and instructive videos.

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