Lyme and IV MMS

These Syringes with these

Needles

???

I buy 1 ml syringes online (box of 100=cheap), 3 ml and 12 ml syringes from our local animal feed store. The feed store does sell needles, but I buy them online by the box of 100; 18 gauge and 30 gauge. Don't have any butterflies yet, but will get some in case I get brave enough to poke myself someday.

"The air bubble thing concerns me. How do you prevent that?" Search YouTube for a demonstration on how to get air bubbles out of a syringe & needle. When using a butterfly needle, you also have the tubing, so the combination of syringe + tubing + butterfly needle will need to be purged of air. It is very easy to do.

Yes it looks like those will work nuffder. But you will need to unscrew that attachment on the end of the butterfly needle - the part that has the black needle-like thing on the end. Again, most of this type of equipment is standardized so things can be unscrewed and used in different ways. So just unscrew that black part and then you'll be able to screw it into the syringe.

Also, you will not be able to leave a metal butterfly needle in your arm (or anywhere else) for days as Martin said. That might be true for flexible plastic catheter such as is used in an IV setup where it will be left in the patient for days as in a hospital, but NOT for a sharp metal needle such as is on the end of a butterfly needle because even slight movement would cause it to move around in the vein and cause damage. That's why I always tape the butterfly needle down, even for a 5 to 10 minute injection with a butterfly needle when I do my injections. I don't want any back and forth motion (or very little anyway).

All the best,
Scott

Truthquester wrote: Also, you will not be able to leave a metal butterfly needle in your arm (or anywhere else) for days as Martin said.

So this information is wrong then?
"Though butterfly needles can be left in a vein for five to seven days if properly secured, they are more commonly used for short-term infusions."

nuffder wrote: These Syringes with these

Needles

???

This is what the seller says about purchasing the butterfly needles:
"The sale of this item may be subject to regulation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and state and local regulatory agencies. If so, do not bid on this item unless you are an authorized purchaser. If the item is subject to FDA regulation, I will verify your status as an authorized purchaser of this item before shipping of the item."

There are restrictions on these kind of medical supplies. That's why we don't find complete IV kits for sale.at ebay.
You could try and see it it gets to you anyway.

The syringe you found is a "only luer lock" . And the butterfly comes with a "luer adapter", Should fit together then.

mart1n wrote:
The syringe you found is a "only luer lock" . And the butterfly comes with a "luer adapter", Should fit together then.

Perfect! I can't believe I missed that. The Lyme really does mess with mental processes. Thanks to everyone for their help. I'll post results as soon as I can.

mart1n wrote:

Truthquester wrote: Also, you will not be able to leave a metal butterfly needle in your arm (or anywhere else) for days as Martin said.

So this information is wrong then?
"Though butterfly needles can be left in a vein for five to seven days if properly secured, they are more commonly used for short-term infusions."

And the last sentence says: "As a rule of thumb, butterfly needles should only be used for IV infusions of five hours or less."

Other than that confusion, a very good article though.

Scott

Truthquester wrote: confusion

Yes. The confusion seems about that you can hurt yourself if running around with a needle in a vein. Normally infusions are performed and supervised by professionals and who may not even let you get out of bed while you got that needle in your vein. Important detail though, as explained pretty well by Scott earlier..
As for nuffder and lyme disease in general; I guess you would need to do daily infusions over say a 2-3 week period. It would then help to not have to find a new site for injection every day. My understanding is as long as you know what you're doing the butterfly needle can sit for 2-3 days.

Another factor could be the metal eroding properties of ClO2. May not be an issue at such low concentrations though.

I would like to practice IV infusions on myself but I'd probably pass out when inserting a needle in a vein and bleed to death May be a good idea to have someone look after you till you got enough practice.

Mart1n said: "My understanding is as long as you know what you're doing the butterfly needle can sit for 2-3 days."

Hi Mart1n, as far as I'm concerned this only makes sense for someone in a comatose state or maybe suspended animation and I'm pretty sure ol' Nuff is neither. These needles are literally razor sharp and generally 3/4 inch long, so just a little movement of the external part is going to be amplified to that razor sharp tip.

Regarding what you said about the number of injections that might be required does present a bit of a problem but if just one a day were to be done, then I suppose one could jump around to different parts of the body and by the time 7 days went by a person might be healed up well enough to start over again. Another option might be to do a larger amount every other day or an even larger amount twice a week. I'm not really sure what the best approach to take is.

On another note though, I watched the following video with Dr. Rowen who is the ozone pioneer in the US and he talks about how ozone has been used to cure Lyme in his practice. So Nuff, if I were you and if I had access to ozone, I might try that first and through that process you would also learn a lot about doing an IV and the rest too. In the video Dr. Rowen also talks about how direct IV ozone has cured about 5 people of Ebola, among other things:



Take care,
Scott

Martin said: "Another factor could be the metal eroding properties of ClO2."

clordisys.com/materialcompatibility.php

"Myth: Chlorine dioxide corrodes stainless steel Fact: Our pure chlorine dioxide DOES NOT corrode stainless steel. Stainless steels can be corroded by the acidic byproducts generated along with other manufacturer's chlorine dioxide products."

Only use CDS for injections, would be my motto.