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Hello!

I am being sick with gastritis in the past 8 months. The diagnosis - unspecific mild chronic gastritis. I was diagnosed after the endoscopy and biopsy tests, no H Pylori bacteria was found. Other conventional tests were done - blood, urine, stool, all normal. I am 35 y/o man, has been very healthy prior to that. About 8 months ago I become sensitive to certain foods like coffee, cheesecake, mint, etc., and start getting pain inside the chest/stomach/oesophagus and black areas under the eyes. I could not do jogging exercise anymore, I get a severe pain inside the chest, just above the stomach after a short run or/and after food. Long time I thought it is acid reflux and I tried acid suppression drugs like Nexium (and others), but it didn't work and I stay away from drugs.

When I started to get ill I was about 90 kg (198 lbs), I went to nutritionist who gave me some good advice, then I stumbled upon Hay's diet which was even better, now I am about 76 kg (167 lbs), but gastritis (inflammation of the inner lining of stomach) is still there. I did another stupid thing in between - lemon detox diet, fasting for 7 days, drinking lemon/syrup drink, which made my gastritis worse

In the last 2 weeks I've been taking MMS and still on the Protocol 1000. This is a first time ever that I start feeling stable (thanks to MMS!!!) and I start feeling my condition is improving slowly. Unfortunately I did another stupid thing just two days ago. I decided to "boost up" my recovery with the colon cleanse (www.globalhealingcenter.com/colon-cleanse-kit.html) where you take oxigen powder, probiotics and drinking a cocktail made of lemon juice and apple cider vinegar. The first day was okay, but on the second day I got my gastritis symptoms returned and suffer from pain as I used to in my worst days. I stopped the colon cleanse right away and now trying to recover again. I don't know what ingredient made in the colon cleanse made me worth, was it lemon or vinegar, or oxi powder, but it's likely was lemon and apple cider vinegar.

My diet in the last month-two is: many fresh vegetables, steamed vegetables, some fruit, meat protein once a day (fish or chicken only), eggs, rye bread only, pumpkin soup, no any diary. I also combine food correctly per Hay's diet. The other weird symptom I got - I don't eat any oils (even coconut), nuts and seeds, because any of these give me the same severe pain (like I can't digest them?).

So I read a lot of information about liver and gallbladder cleanses that involves taking oil that I cannot take. And I thought maybe my liver has so many stones that I can't have any these oils or nuts? So I can't do any flushes at the moment if I want to

The other symptom is my coated tongue which tells me I have bacteria overgrowth.

My hopes are for MMS. I will be starting Protocol 1000 Plus soon and I hope to recover fully.

But what else could you advise, suggest me to do? Maybe adjust, correct me?
Any advice welcome.

Hi Ken,

I am not 100% sure but I had a friend who experienced something very similar a few months ago. She did not want to go the MMS way (too scary, I suppose) but instead tried a mix of essential oils and antibiotics (longtime Lyme sufferer, figured she had a relapse).
It turns out it did not work very well for her, with an increase of pains, diarrhea, etc... After much trial and error, we figured it was probably a mix of a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction and a fungal colonization that created the problem. That seems also to be the case with you (liver clogging, coated tongue, etc...), which puts you in some kind of conundrum. The best natural way to soften the stones in a liver is to use organic apple juice (malic acid does the work) which is full of sugar the fungi can use to proliferate... talk about a mexican standoff. I do not know if apple vinegar can boast the same efficiency, but the protocol I use requires to drink a litre of apple juice every day for six days before going to the liver cleansing proper. And I would use MMS to keep the germs in check during the procedure (+diatomaceous earth, works wonder on the digestive tract)
I hope that helped, but for all it's worth I think you are on the right track, maybe you wanted to go a bit too fast.

Hello HariSeldon,
Thank you very much for your answer! You are so right about "mexican standoff", this is the conundrum I am in the past half a year, suffering from eating and not eating

I am not sure that I should start drinking apple juice, but eating apples by itself is fine for my body.
I probably will now start looking for alternative methods on how to cleanse the organs. But you see I am still "self-diagnosing", I don't even know I have stones in my liver (though my flatmate who's into health very much says I do have stones 100%).

Should I see a nutritionist or a naturopath doctor? I have already seen one naturopath, who tested my blood type (type O), confirmed with tests I do have problems with stomach, kidneys, liver, but the visit costed me over $400 and the next will be a minimum $200 he said (I am in Australia, Sydney), he wanted to adjust my diet to see how I'm doing after a week and do a cleanse, but because of the costs I didn't reschedule.

I have another question to the forum about MMS: would taking MMS over period of time help with eliminating stones from the organs?

So I am still curious, should I just continue with MMS for now or also apply other remedies for the symptoms? In summary the symptoms are: coated tongue (has been for quite a while, some years), feeling constipated (aggravated with taking MMS, a sign MMS is working), lots of gas (intensified with taking MMS), nerve tick/twitch on the left eye (started with illness 8 months ago), food intolerances: any diary, any oils (I think I can tolerate a teaspoon of coconut oil though and fatty salmon fish is also not a problem), nuts, seeds, lemon, pepper, chilli, honey, coffee, tea, chocolate, mint, red meat, white bread, also avoiding most of the grains except oats; other symptoms - I get pain in stomach/esophagus if I slightly over eat, if I delay a meal and if I don't eat enough; other symptoms - cold hands and feeling cold sometimes.

P.S. Regarding the mentioned "diatomaceous earth", would it benefit me regardless of my health issues?

P.S.S. by the way, I recommend everyone to read the latest Jim Humble's book on MMS - "Health Recovery Manual", it has all the latest information about how to take MMS, jhbooks.org/mms-health-recovery-manual-ebook

Hi Ken,
It is always hard to make a diagnosis from litteraly the other end of the world, but the symptoms you have might be consistent with one of the slow-moving infections I have to deal with every day: ehrlichia, babesia, lyme disease, bartonella,... once one of them moves to a chronic stage, they tend to clog the liver and kidneys with a whole bunch of toxins that increase gut leakage, making the way for more toxins, etc...
And getting one of them diagnosed in Australia seems to be next to impossible. If I remember correctly your country did not acknowledge Lyme disease until last year.
Personnaly I never consulted a naturopath doctor; even if they are good at what they do, I am always wary of someone who benefits from me as long as i am sick. But, as a physician, my opinion is doubly tweaked, so do not take me to the letter.
As far as the liver is concerned, I would recommend reading the book from Andreas Moritz, the amazing liver an gallbladder flush. It features numerous tactics in order to unclog the liver, and a comprehensive set of explanations about your symptoms. And it doesn't cost as much.
I think you should go on with the MMS; in my opinion there is probably a bunch of unwelcome germs in your body which led you to your current state and you must prevent their proliferation. MMS is the cheapest and best way to do so. It might not destroy the stones dircetly, but by preventing more toxins to saturate the liver, it might contribute to their slow erosion.
Learn to modify the dosage because most of those germs tend to work in cyles, and what was a good dose on Monday might trigger a Herxheimer reaction on Thursday.
The diatomaceous earth is a compound that kills germs mecanically: microscopic shards of silicates that brush off the parasites and fungi who dwell in your gut, especially the colon. It tends to take care of those things the MMS seems to ignore.
A last tip: morning oil mouthwash. When you wake up, take a tablespoon of sunflower or olive oil, make it circulate in your mouth for about 10 min and spit it out. Do it again 1-2 times every morning, it should reduce the toxic load and pull a bit of pressure off the liver.

If I were you I would brush my teeth with 2ml of CDH in 100ml of warm water 2 to 3 times a day until the tongue coat problem goes away. Increase to 3ml per 100ml if the above doesn't work after about a week. Get your mouth healthy and maybe the rest of your body will follow.

Hi Truthquester,
Thank you for the advice.
I actually already brushing my teeth and gums 2-3 times a day according to the latest Jim Humble's book "Health Recovery Manualy" following the protocols, currently on Protocol 1000 for almost three weeks. Unfortunately, the brushing method didn't handle the tongue. Perhaps the root problem is inside the body and the tongue gets affected by it.
Kind regards,

kentaurus wrote:

Hi Truthquester,
Thank you for the advice.
I actually already brushing my teeth and gums 2-3 times a day according to the latest Jim Humble's book "Health Recovery Manualy" following the protocols, currently on Protocol 1000 for almost three weeks. Unfortunately, the brushing method didn't handle the tongue. Perhaps the root problem is inside the body and the tongue gets affected by it.
Kind regards,

Okay. Please explain how you're making your teeth brushing solution. How many drops, how long are you activating, how much water are you adding to the activated drops and the approximate temperature of the water, for example is it cool, warm, hot, etc. I'll then let you know what your ppm is based on what you say. I'm thinking your ppm isn't high enough to kill whatever bacteria that is in your mouth, but we'll see when you let me know.

Per the book instructions I activate 10 drops (10 drops of MMS with 10 drops of 50% citric acid) in a glass, wait for 30 seconds, then put 120 ml (half a cup or 4oz) of bottled water (prepare it to be enough for one day), then I put the liquid into another small glass bottle with a lid. Then I go to bathroom, pour out some liquid into another container, brush my teeth and gums for about 1-2 minutes, dipping the brush 3-5 times. Usually I brush first time after breakfast, then in the afternoon and the last time before bed.

kentaurus wrote:

Per the book instructions I activate 10 drops (10 drops of MMS with 10 drops of 50% citric acid) in a glass, wait for 30 seconds, then put 120 ml (half a cup or 4oz) of bottled water (prepare it to be enough for one day), then I put the liquid into another small glass bottle with a lid. Then I go to bathroom, pour out some liquid into another container, brush my teeth and gums for about 1-2 minutes, dipping the brush 3-5 times. Usually I brush first time after breakfast, then in the afternoon and the last time before bed.

Hi Kentaurus. Since you have said that Jim's teeth brushing protocol hasn't worked for you, I'd like to give you the following alternative to help you out.

First of all, in order to deactivate pathogens in general with CLO2, there are a few things we should always keep in mind:

-1. Concentration - The more concentrated the CLO2 in solution, the quicker and easier the pathogens will be deactivated.
-2. Turbidity - The more particles there are in a medium, the less effective the the CLO2 will be.
-3. Temperature - The warmer the solution is, the more effective the CLO2 will be. For example an equivalent ppm CLO2 solution used at refrigerator temperatures will be far less effective than one used at 41 degrees C (106 degrees F).

About the way you've been using MMS to brush your teeth; 10 drops activated as you are doing will only produce about 6.7mg of CLO2 even though they have a potential of 67mg. The reason why is that a 30 second activation only activates all 10 drops at most to 10% of their potential. Also, we need to divide those 6.7mg by 3 times a day since you're using the solution you made in the morning for 3 brushings a day. So 6.7mg divided by 3 = 2.23 per brushing.

Then you mentioned that you're just dipping your brush 3-5 times and brushing for 1-2 minutes, so there is really very little of the solution actually contacting the surfaces of your mouth. Based on this, I would say we could reduce the 2.23mg per brushing by at least another 5 times. So 2.23 divided by 5 comes to just, conservatively 0.45mg of CLO2 you're actually getting into your mouth at each brushing.

On top of all of this, you might be putting the solution that you made up in the morning into the refrigerator to keep it from losing the CLO2 gas through the day - am I right? If I am, then I doubt you're warming it up to 41 degrees C before brushing the other 2 times a day. If it's actually cold when you're using it to brush your teeth, then even less of the CLO2 will be available to do the job in your mouth.

In addition to all of the above, I know it must taste pretty bad because the way you're making it (with citric acid and activating for a short time) is the way I used to make it in the beginning and yuck, it really was unpleasant. I remember very clearly the way it made my teeth and mouth feel for about 3-5 minutes afterwards, until the awful taste and feeling subsided.

So to fix all of the above and hopefully kill whatever is growing in your mouth, here's what I would do (and is what I do to a certain extent twice a day).

-1. Either make a batch of CDH (3.5mg per ml) or CDS (3.0mg per ml) ideally using HCl instead of citric acid. This will give you a much higher ppm per drop of MMS used to make either product and if you are able to make the CDH with HCl instead of citric acid, it will taste and feel much better in your mouth too.
-2. Before brushing, floss your teeth (at least once a day) to reduce the amount of debris in your mouth and then rinse your mouth well with water too, before going to the next step.
-3. Put 100ml of warm water (as in 38 to 41 degrees C or 100 to 106 degrees F) in a glass and then add 2ml of either the CDH or CDS to the nice warm water. (2ml of CDH will give you about 7mg of CLO2 and 2ml of CDS at 3mg per ml (3000ppm) will give you 6mg)
-4. Immediately (before the water cools down) sip in a small amount of the water (about 15-20ml) and swish this all around your mouth, trying to force it between your teeth, etc. for about 10 seconds and then spit it out.
-5. Then take another 15-20ml sip and while holding it in your mouth, brush your lower teeth and gums thoroughly.
-6. Take another sip and do the same with your upper teeth and gums.
-7. Take another sip and thoroughly brush your tongue, going as far back as you can until it just about makes you gag (we want to get that bacteria the hides out at the very back of your tongue as much as possible so it won't repopulate later on).
-8. Take the remaining amount and gargle with it for about 5 seconds to get to the very back of your mouth.
-9. Do the above 2 to 3 times a day for a week. If you still have the coated tongue after a week, increase to 3ml of either CDH or CDS in the 100ml of warm water and repeat for another week. If even that doesn't work, and you can handle it, increase to 4ml in the 100ml of warm water - but this amount is pretty strong so be careful.

I believe that not only will the above work, but it will also taste and feel a lot better to your mouth because of using HCl instead of citric acid, if its available to you.

By the way, I have been brushing my teeth as above twice a day for about 3 years now. The only difference being that for about the last 6 months, I have reduced to just 1ml of CDH per 100ml of warm water because for my needs, I think 1ml is sufficient.

If you'd like to understand why I'm saying what I'm saying about concentration, turbidity and temperature of water and their affect on how CLO2 works to deactivate bacteria, read the following document which explains the importance of all 3 in deactivating bacteria in produce:



If you do use the method which I've described above, please let us know how it works (or doesn't work) for you. We all need to know.

Hope this helps,
Scott