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Apple cider vinegar 03 May 2016 09:11 #52160

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My wife and I tried apple cider vinegar (Biona's unfiltered, unpastuerised, organic) with MMS1 (purchased from a supplier approved by the church). Our results were not great. We avoided the foods and drinks which the protocol recommends avoiding.

I did experience some relief from problems with my digestion and also relief from the aches related to a varicocele, however the nausea became too much. I lasted just over 2 weeks but never made it above 1.5 drops. I tried lowering the dosage, but it got to the point where even the smell of the solution made me nauseous and I had to stop.

My wife has severe chronic fatigue and is often bedridden. MMS made her symptoms much worse and she saw no benefits. She lasted 1.5 weeks but never made it above 1 drop. She, too, had to stop because of the nausea.

It's great that MMS seems to be helping others, but I thought our experiences might be of value here. Some lingering questions remain for us:

1. Has anybody experienced negative results with apple cider vinegar but positive ones having switched to citric acid or one of the other alternatives?

2. Our solution never turned a brown colour. It was yellow/orange - similar in colour to the apple cider vinegar itself. Is this to be expected?

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Apple cider vinegar 03 May 2016 15:02 #52161

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The recommended activator is HCL. It does avoid a lot of the taste and nausea. The quote below is from Jim's latest book. Get them (both the book and HCL) and start again - but extremely slowly (this isn't a race - but a journey to restore health) Kerri Rivera starts with 1 activated drop mixed in 8 oz of water - taking 1 oz / hour the first day and then go up by 1 activated drop / day similarly - until at 3 drops / hour (protocol 1000).

Activated MMS goes a dark brown - so it sounds like you weren't fully activating - some people are very sensitive to inactivated sodium chlorite

"Some Alternative Acids: Both citric and hydrochloric
acid are easy to use as activators for MMS; however,
depending on your location and availability, or in an
emergency, other activators such as fresh lemon or lime
juice, or vinegar, can be used to activate MMS but they
measure differently. If using any of these acids, you will
need to use 5 drops of lemon, lime or vinegar for every 1
drop of MMS, at a 1 to 5 ratio. If using these alternative
acids, activation time must be 3 minutes, instead of 30
seconds which is the standard activation time for either
50% citric acid or 4% HCl."
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Apple cider vinegar 03 May 2016 19:37 #52163

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Many thanks for your swift response.

With regard to the apple cider vinegar, we did follow the recommended 1:5 ratio and the 3min activation time you quote. We also followed the recommended starting procedure, so started with just a 1/4 drop.

But perhaps I will give it another shot using HCL as you suggest.

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Apple cider vinegar 03 May 2016 22:21 #52164

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I have never been able to prove that vinegar will activate MMS. Did these tests today.

You were basically ingesting unactivated MMS which some people can do, but apparently not you.

Try making some CDH and see how that works for you. It is about 50% activated externally and the rest should activate in a stomach with normal amounts of gastric acids.

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Apple cider vinegar 04 May 2016 01:02 #52165

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I repackaged the photos so they should be easier to see.


Notice that there is no CLO2 gas visible above the solutions inside the plugged test tubes except in the last picture, bottom right, for 4% HCL activated MMS at +3 minutes.
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Apple cider vinegar 04 May 2016 08:47 #52169

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Thank you for the photos which are very helpful. Assuming color is a reliable indicator, perhaps pictures like these might be posted on the Wiki pages so users can see what color the activated solution should be.

Should the Church also consider not suggesting apple cider vinegar as an alternative, at least until further tests are done? Like me, others may be attracted to the idea of using apple cider vinegar with MMS because it seems to have so many health benefits (even if it can't cure our conditions).

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Apple cider vinegar 04 May 2016 08:55 #52170

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I will be doing more testing on using vinegar to activate MMS and will report what I find here. The reason to use vinegar or lemon juice is only when you can't find 4% HCL or 50% citric acid.

Please do try making some CDH using 4% HCL as per the YouTube video I linked above. It is very simple to make. I suspect you may have been overdosing even at 1.5 drops/hour. The rule is if what you are taking has negative side effects, reduce the dose by half and slowly increase without causing any side effects. It has been reported that some people have recovered from stage 4 cancer by dosing MMS at 1/2 drop to 1 drop per hour. Protocol 1000 calls for a maximum hourly dose of 3 drops, but you may not need to go that high.

Let us know how these ideas work for you.
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Apple cider vinegar v HCL 5 % 08 Jul 2016 11:36 #52684

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Hi fourfingerz,Dan Tom and CLO2. My partner also is experiencing nausea and vomiting. However, we are using 5% HCL. Ours does not go dark brown either but more a golden brown - in between the colour of the first two pics. My partner is fine with 2 drops but vomits on 3. Even when he goes back down to two drops when he feels the nausea coming on, he has been sick twice a couple of hours later. We have had this batch for about 1.5years - is this a problem? Thanks.
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Apple cider vinegar v HCL 5 % 08 Jul 2016 16:01 #52686

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MMS and activators should last about 5 years if kept in a dark, cool place.

To see the amber color with only two drops, you will have to look through the liquid, not just look down on it.

If two drops are not causing problems and three drops do, then stay at 2 drops until either the ailment is gone or the dose can be increased. Protocol 1000 maxes out at 3 drops per hour, but that is not necessarily a goal. Some people have recovered from cancer taking only 1 drop per hour.

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