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Libortx,

Have you tried Andrew Kalkers' Protocols?

Libortx and friends,

I want to thank you for this newer information. Andreas is a great source. There is no doubt that these parasites are something to watch for, but as Andreas said many times in his writing and speaking, the labs are most likely not going to find or identify any parasites even if they were staring right at them under a microscope.

I think this is because the Mainstream medical also uses these same labs. They are usually owned by someone that is part of the mainstream medical establishment, so for them to start thinking outside the box might be frowned upon by their owners.? I don't know. Just speculation.

I look at these labs as a sub group of a hostpital. That's their main customer. Imagine what would happen if a doctor sent in a sample and it came back positive! Ouch! The problems that would create are many.

#1 the doctor would have to prescribe more antibiotics to try and kill it off. (That's the only thing in his training)
Unless he too is thinking outside the box, or parasites are his main thing.

#2 If the mainstream medical establishment found out that lab XYZ is returning positive test results for parasites,
They may be blackballed by their best customers. (Hostpitals)
Much safer to "look the other way" (and more profitable)

#3 The more lab tests that are ordered, the more money each patient brings in. So actually negative lab tests are much more likely to make more money for the lab than positive ones!!!

#4 Most of the samples are from someone's poop or blood. This is not what you's call fun work, so
Unless the lab specializes in parasitology and somehow has a financial base outside of mainstream medicine, we will probably never get any results from them.


#5 I think it is the proverbial needle in a haystack and just the amount of time that it would take for each examination. It's just cost prohibitive.

But on the bright side !


It was noteworthy to see in this video that there are certain chemicals that show up in blood samples of infected individuals. These chemicals might be a more "politically correct" means of identifying a general parasite infestation at least. Then it would be the interpretation of the practitioner as to what course of action would be the best to take from there. That way everyone is happy and the lab is off the hook. I don't think the labs would balk at identifying chemicals.

So the next step is to identify each chemical with it's pathogenic source if that is possible.

I'm going to go back thru this video and write down a list of all these pathogen by-products and see if any of them are something that is looked for in a blood or urine test.

At least with this list there would be some things that the lab should be able to find.

Hi sir,
Yes, I am currently enjoying Andreas's' deworming process but modified for other information that I was able to collect over the years. Too early to tell the results or make any recommendations for anybody. Besides the process is in fact a year long.

Looks like you are on a right track and based on your other posts from topics here at the forum you are not afraid to experiment.

Good luck.

Libortx,

Well, if I was to be so crazy as to try the Ivermectin topically with the DMSO I have to get the wife to clean out a blackhead on the back of my neck first. I would think the DMSO would wreak havoc with that. So I will let you know.
I found the Ivermectin today at the feed store and they had it in a paste. I suppose that would be close enough if a person was to hypothetically use it on their skin.

Have you tried any of the Hulda Clark zappers or parasite cleanses that her outfit sells?

I am in the middle of the parasite cleanse right now. didn't notice anything except hard stools and a little constipation.

Tillerman6

Libortx,

Just call me Trigger!

I think I owe your a debt of gratitude at least for now! The Ivermectin and DMSO do seem to work on my neck pain! I bought an American made version of the Ivermectin that was intended for horses but this one was not flavored as I am using it transdermally and not oral (for now at least) Some of the Ivermectin is apple flavored I am assuming to get the horses to eat it easier.

And of course it is very early to tell for sure, but I noticed the pain reduction almost immediately.

I had the wife clean out the old blackhead on my neck - (sorry for too much information) I sprayed the area with the MMS skin protocol (10 drops in 4 Oz water) then I let that dry. Then I went and washed off the whole area with soap and water and rinsed off and dried again.

Then I put on about a gram sized squirt of the Ivermectin paste and rubbed it in a bit. The area I'm trying to fix is only about 3" by 6" long on my upper neck centered around the C7 vertabrae. Then I sprayed on the DMSO that was diluted 4 parts water to 1 part DMSO and stirred that in over the Ivermection paste.

This did not burn or sting at all. Felt like an oil massage, and stopped my neck from hurting in about 20 seconds from about 5 PM on. It's now 10PM still good!
With the osteoarthritis the pain is not a 10 it's more like a nagging 2 or 3 most of the time, but it has never stopped in years from any sort of direct medication until now. I've tried Icy Hot and massage and a few other remedies like Arnica, but this beats all the others I could use Tylenol or Aleve to stop the pain that way, but it would be back in a few hours for sure. And there are side effects for using Tylenol or Aleve.

This should really help me get to sleep faster too as I don't have to search for a comfortable position where my neck is not going to hurt all night on the pillow.

Now if I could get my ears to stop ringing I would be about 100%. !!!

Tillerman6,
Out of curiosity how is your neck doing now? I have never heard of using Ivermectin and DMSO for pain! My husband also suffers from Arthritis in the back and neck and heck if it will help him be more comfortable were up for it!

Dear Horsefeathers,

The neck started hurting again this afternoon after a long day in the shop. That is normal for me.
But the Ivermectin/DMSO did get me through a nice restful night, so I would say that it was a limited success.
I got the idea from Libortx. You can probably look up our conversation using the search feature.

Apparently there has been some research on this subject done by someone that Libortx knows about.

I had good luck with it for two days now, although I can't really say that I've had time to check it out all the way.

I have only used two 1 or 2 CC amounts of the Ivermectin externally on my neck whenever it starts hurting over the last two days, so there is no real protocol and this is all highly experimental right now. Again there is no stinging or any side effects that I can tell so far.

It might have to be applied every 4-6 hours to keep the dosage up high enough too. Mayby we can all work up an experimental protocol if everyone is agreeable? We might have to go over to the experimental side of the web site?

I don't think the Ivermectin is dangerous as it's sold over the counter, and is also FDA approved for horses.

Effectivity-

It could be that just the DMSO by itself (much diluted) would do some of the same pain killing without the Ivermectin. That also depends on the source of the pain itself too. The original injury was from a motorcycle accident, so I have no reason to believe that there is a parasite involved. Although I would think that it is not impossible after all this time and many adventures overseas. I just thought it might be worth a try and it's quick and inexpensive.

The proof will be when the pain stops coming back over a longer time span.

My guess is that the DMSO by itself would stop some of the pain and increase the circulation in the area with or without the Ivermectin, but I will have to let you know about that later.

Are you on any sort of a maintenance dose of MMS? and for how long? And did that have any effects either way for your husband's neck pain?

Thanks for your inquiry!

Tillerman6

Horsefeathers,

I wanted to give you an update on my neck situation. I have noticed that the MMS seems to dry out some of the body's lubrication in the joints and also cause constipation to some extent. So while I would still take it if I had an infection, I don;t think it is intended to be taken indefinitely for someone with osteoarthritis.

That being said, and without a protocol for the Ivermectin and DMSO, I am still guessing as to what is going to work in the long run.

But here is a list of the things I have tried. And the best guess that I can make at this point about each one.

CMO These are large pills that convert your normal cartelage into something with more lubricant in it. You get two bottles of the stuff for $90.00 online. I didn't like chewing up the chalky tablets, so I think it would work a lot better if one put the tablets in a blender and drank them in juice.

The CMO did help my joints mobility quite a bit. I would say about a 50% improvement in range of motion and less pain. I only took one bottle out of the two, so I should probably go back and finish it up to see if there is any more improvement.

Something that I discovered while taking the CMO was that things with Oxalic acid in them seemed to irritate my joints the next day after I ate them. This would be foods like grapefruit. I suppose that makes sense. The grapefruit juice is pretty acidic, and it can break down most oils and makes a great glass cleaner.

Another food that aggravates arthritis is red meat. I have to watch that one because my wife cooks a lot with hamburger and I can't get her to stop.

Sugar is of course bad too, but the red meat is worse because you don't feel worse for a couple of days and by then you may have forgotten what you were eating. There is that delayed reaction.

#2 INclined bed therapy. I just stumbled onto this one about a month ago. The 5 degree head up angel does seem to help with circulation of the whole body. I am pretty slender and I used to get cold at night from my slow metabolism. It was hard to get my feet to warm up and I had to use the electric blanket a lot to stay comfortable, but after I raised the head board 7", then I noticed that I started breathing much deeper and my toes were always toasty warm fairly quickly.

This beats having to take pills for a slow metabolism all the time, so I would give that Inclined bed therapy a try if I were you. It's cheap and easy and you can always go back to a flat bed later if you don't like it.

With the matress on a 5 degree angle it is possible to get a very slight traction effect for my neck with the pillow. That also seems to help.

Hoodie - I sometimes wear a hoodie to keep my neck warm in the winter. That helps too.

Pain meds- I try to stay off of NSAIDS completely. They damage the liver.

So I use a product called CURAMIN from the health food store. Pretty good stuff. No side effects that I can tell.

Sugar - NO SUGAR

White flour - Minimize this too if possible. Minimize bread intake if possible. Most of it is GMO and has wheat gluten in it.

Magnesium - This one is pretty interesting. I notice a relaxed feeling taking Magnesium gel caps. This one will take down a general anxiety that I get sometimes after a big meal of red meat and or pasta.

It might be better to take the Magnesium with calcium at the same time- jury is still out on that question.

Vitamin C- This is always good to be on at least 2000 MG of either Ascorbic Acid or something called "Ester C" which is more stomach friendly. The C will make you heal faster at these doses. Probably not good to take it close to bedtime as it will keep some people awake at night. The ester C is not so much this way.

Water- This is very important. Our water is hard and full of minerals, although it still tastes good. Really has no flavor per se, but we are on a well system of our own. I should have put a filter at least on the sink years ago to filter out whatever might be lurking there. I got this done about a month ago. Can't really tell any difference with just filtering , but then I started making MMS and put 2 drops into a gallon of filtered water, and that is going to be what I drink from now on. You can't taste the MMS at that dosage, and It will still kill anything that might have made it thru the filter.

Hulda Clark and her writings- Teeth

Hulda was a character, but I think she had some real expertise with parasites and pathogenic organisms.

One of the things she talked about in her book " The cure for all diseases" was teeth problems.

I can't quote her exactly, but she noticed a correlation between neck pain and bad teeth. She said that if the pain is in the spine or neck it is probably a bad tooth or a root canal that is leaking out a bacteria.

Apparently this bacteria is something VERY TOXIC. So she would advise her patients to have those teeth pulled and the sockets deep cleaned. her reasoning was that a dead tooth is harboring and festering deadly bacteria.
There is no blood supply in a root canal tooth, so the body cannot clean it if it becomes infected.

If you look at some of her pictures of her face on You Tube you will see that she has some missing teeth herself on the left upper jaw line. So at least we know she was following her own advice.

That is going to be a problem in my case because if I lose any more teeth in the back, I will have to wear a partial plate to keep the jaw in alignment. Not fun.

All that was before they discovered MMS and DMSO, but I am still considering that drastic course of action.

FLEX EASY this is a Glucosamine sulfate and Chondroitin sulfate liquid that I found at my chiropractor's office.
It has a slight delay because you use it like food, but it does seem to work and reduce pain and inflamation.

Inflamation -- That's really the issue with the neck. It's warmer than the surrounding area, and that's the only part of my body that is still sore. The MMS seems to have cured the prostate pain, but this is different.

So now I'm trying Black Seed Oil I just got a large bottle of it yesterday so it's too soon to tell if that will work, but it is supposed to do wonders. We will see.

Maybe I should be on a osteo arthritis web site and that might give me some more in-depth information!

I will look around.

Cleanses- I finished the MMS protocol 1000 + about 2 weeks ago. Cured prostate problem, but left me sort of dried out in the joints. Now I'm going the other way and going back to the anti-oxidant route.

The Black Seed oil is a strong anti-oxidant and anti parasitic as well. Also gives energy and relaxes the muscles.

The Pharos and ancient civilizations have used it for thousands of years and it was mentioned in the bible, so it can't be all bad. Anti-cancer as well.

Very oily tasting - liquid oil. can be purchased in capsules too. If you try it you might want to drink it with Cranberry juice or mollasses to kill the oily taste.

i got mine from Amazon.com, but that is not a plug for Amazon. There are other places to get it.

I almost forgot to mention - I'm winding up my 18 days of the Hulda Clark parasite cleanse. in about a week,

I will be done with the initial 18 days and start a maintenance dose.

Please let me know if you have any questions or ideas!

Tillerman6

It might be better to take the Magnesium with calcium at the same time- jury is still out on that question.

My ND says to include some calcium when taking a magnesium supplement. I have to ask him the ratio of calcium to magnesium.

Vitamin C- This is always good to be on at least 2000 MG of either Ascorbic Acid...

When taking large doses of ascorbic acid in tablet, powder, etc, form, about 15% is usable. Taking ascorbic acid in L.E.T. Vitamin-C form your body will use about 85% of it. It is not difficult to make L.E.T. Vitamin-C at home. The "Brooks Bradley" method has been on the internet for years. My current favorite method is here .