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MMS/CDS for Ruminants 21 Sep 2016 17:36 #53423

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I've used MMS when required for many years now, but I have never used it with animals.

I am handling a serious jaw infection in a llama for which the vets have declared euthanasia as the only cure. Having nursed many animals through serious illness, including bone infections, it occurred to me that MMS or CDS might be effective. Usually, I stick to homeopathy.

HOWEVER! A llama being a ruminant, has a finely tuned and delicate digestive flora in the first stomach, in which the grass and other vegetation is fermented before being regurgitated for further chewing and processing. Would I be correct in assuming that acidified Sodium Chlorite might destroy the gut flora in that first stomach?

Any tips and advice would be gratefully received.
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MMS/CDS for Ruminants 21 Sep 2016 21:03 #53424

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The following is from Jim Humble's latest book:

Ruminants (e.g., cows, sheep, goats, etc.) have a gastrointestinal anatomy that is different from that found in humans, cats, dogs, etc. I have it on good authority– although not from personal experience–that ruminants should never receive MMS orally. Instead, these animals must receive a variation of MMS known as CDI shot (Chlorine Dioxide Injectable). This variation of MMS was developed by Dr. Andreas Kalcker and is saline solution infused with chlorine dioxide that has a pH of about 7.

Note: The oral dosing information that follows is not for ruminants. Further information for ruminants can be found in Andreas Kalcker’s book on CDS. The details of CDS and CDI are beyond the scope of this book, but may be included in future editions.

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MMS/CDS for Ruminants 21 Sep 2016 21:40 #53425

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organicman:

Read Wil's post here:
g2cforum.org/index.php/list/general-discussion/269-introduction-from-dr-wil-spencer-vmsp-naturopath?start=36#10628

I have used both CDS and MMS (orally) on a very sick cow back in 2012. Her gut flora obviously was not damaged as she recovered rather then going down hill.

Do a search for user drgreen who saved a calf with scours using CDI.
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MMS/CDS for Ruminants 22 Sep 2016 15:06 #53428

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This is very helpful, thank you. I will devise a suitable CDS program with a low dose to start her and report back with my findings.

If this works, this will indeed have a massive impact on my own daily activities
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MMS/CDS for Ruminants - goat 02 Feb 2020 11:54 #62308

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I am curious to hear from your findings after treating your animal with CDS.

At the moment I am treating my very beloved old goat with 2 ml CDS twice a day orally. Because I have no means to treat her intravenously (living in a rural area in Brazil, no veterinarian nearby). For the last 3 years, every rainy season she falls ill with a urinary tract infection. Since her daughter died of this, we treated her two times with antibiotic injections for a whole week. These were very painful intramuscular in her hind legs. She still walks with pain. So this year we decided to try CDS first, after we discovered the infection (no appetite, urinary yellow-green slime and incontinence).

We put CDS in a small smoothie with bananas and cooked rice (the treat she loves), starting with 1 ml in 100ml. And repeating this 6 times (freshly made) with each time 0,5ml extra (max 4ml) the first day, every 1,5 - 2 hours.

She got better after the second dose!!! First: the slime that came out of the urinary tract changed color from yellow to neutral, and then the incontinence stopped, and then the slime stopped. We kept treating for 3 days. Her appetite came back as well.

But then something curious happened. She hadn't had an ovulation for 2 years and she had her calf 8 years ago. Now she started to leak milk! and became fertile. Complete with all the behavior: wanting to fight the cows, roaming and yelling for a he-goat, refusing to eat. This took 2,5 days. We could not treat her.

She started to lose some moist again from her urinary tract. When the ovulation was over, we enticed her to drink smoothies again. The infection stopped once more. We milked her. No infection in the udder. And then another ovulation followed the next day. So we could not treat her since she refused to eat or drink and was roaming our fields.

After 2,5 days that one was over and we could treat her again and milk her. Twice a day 2 ml CDS was enough to stop symptoms in 2 days. So one week we took care of her in the usual way, without CDS. Her appetite was normal again. But we noticed that her urine was unusually dark yellow. So concluded that her kidney must be having a problem.

Started to treat her again once that evening, the next morning - which is right now I am writing this - to our surprise: again the behavior of fertility. We are getting very tired of this reaction because it tampers with our treatment efforts that do seem to work when we get the chance.
She is an old goat, around 12 years old. Maybe it is her time to go. But she is not suffering yet. We would love to keep her with us for a few more years if possible.

Does anyone have experience treating goats with CDS? or DMSO? Since that is an official medication in the US for bladder infections, maybe I could try this transdermally? (I am asking this community because DMSO belongs in the protocols for more serious illnesses). Fortunately I could order both online. I am having great results for the dogs with that (and on myself, first tried it on myself obviously). She is not allergic to it, for I put it in 50% solution on little skin-irriations she has.

I read all the books I could obtain about this already: the books in German from Daniel-Peter-Verlag.de (Antje de Wit, MD; Monika Rekelhof for animals; dr. Fisher about DMSO) and from Andreas Kalcker (forbidden health) and Jim Humble 2016 and Kerri Rivera, the book that she gives for free away online (600 pages).
You can answer me in German, Dutch, English, Portuguese if you like
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MMS/CDS for Ruminants - goat 02 Feb 2020 23:13 #62312

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Thanks Dorinna for your excellent reporting/testimonial on using CDS to heal your old goat. Yes, DMSO is very useful for topical applications of full-strength CDS. I have used both to remove a pre-cancer on my forehead a few years ago.

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