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Hi Pam I got my green sprouts 2 oz glass bottles today from ups. And went rite to work. But most of the bubbling in both bottles had completed in 45 min. All of the color in the 2oz bottle was gone and clear within 1:15 min. so I stoped every thing and bottled up everthing and put it all in refer. Tried it out and was no real taste but a little tiny burn in my throat which a little more water took care of. I'll be glad to hear your comparing with your strips.

Please note: it is not necessary to be as elaborate as I have been here, just do what Jim says and you will have potent CDS!

Today I made a batch of CDS trying to follow Jim's instructions exactly, and I took ppm measurements of the chlorine dioxide in the CDS. This is by far the most potent CDS I have made to date, and I highly recommend anyone starting to make CDS, make it according to Jim's instructions first, so you know what good CDS is like.

The only thing I did not have was baby bottles, which will arrive in 2 days. Instead, I used a 2 oz. brown dropper bottle for the reaction chamber and a 12 oz coke bottle for the receiving chamber. I used the stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing cut on a slant that looks just like the tubing in Jim's video (original video has been removed; current Jim Humble video is dated 12/26/11) and that is sold in hardware stores. I used a one-hole black rubber stopper on the 2 oz brown bottle and no top at all on the coke bottle, as in Jim's video.

Ingredients:
1 oz. MMS1
1 oz. 50% citric acid
8 oz. cold distilled water
ice & water

Materials:
2 oz. brown dropper bottle
12 oz. coke bottle
1-hole rubber stopper
18" of stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing
electric hot plate
pyrex pot for hot plate
thermometer
small funnel
bucket of ice water
0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strips
graduated cylinders to measure liquids
oral syringe to measure 1 ml (get at drug store)

Useful measurements: (referencing U.S. cups)
1 oz. = 1/8 cup = 30 ml
2 oz. = 1/4 cup = 59 ml
8 oz. = 1 cup = 237 ml
1 teaspoon = 5 ml
1/4 teaspoon = 1.25 ml

Procedure to make CDS:

I followed Jim's video instructions. Measured out 8 oz. of cold distilled water from the refrigerator into the 12 oz. coke bottle and put it into a small bucket with water and lots of ice. Added more ice a couple times during the 2 hour process.

Measured 1 oz. of MMS and using a plastic funnel put it into the 2 oz. brown dropper bottle. Measured 1 oz. of 50% citric acid and put it into the brown dropper bottle. Brown dropper bottle is full nearly to the top.

Put 1-hole rubber stopper, into which one end of the 1/4" polyethylene tubing had been inserted, into top of brown bottle, and put it into the pyrex pot on the hot plate, and turned hot plate onto low setting. Put other end of 1/4" tubing into the coke bottle, resting it on the bottom of the bottle, in the bucket of ice water.

Had thermometer installed on pyrex pot to watch the temperature. A couple times it got up to 180 degrees when the burner cycled on. Tried to keep it between 150-160 degrees most of the time. It was still bubbling just a little even after 2 hours but I stopped at that point and then tested the CDS with the test strips.

Procedure to test CDS for ppm chlorine dioxide:

Once I had the 8 oz. of CDS, I removed 2 oz. to a shot glass and suctioned up 3 ml into an oral syringe. I used graduated cylinders to measure 3 portions of 2 oz. of cold distilled water. I put 2 oz of distilled water into a 1 cup pyrex measuring glass and then put 1 ml of the CDS into that and stirred it well. Then I took a 0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strip, dipped it for 2 seconds, waited 10 seconds and took the reading. The color closely matched the 100 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing 2 oz. with the 1 ml CDS that I had just tested. So now I have 4 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. I followed the test procedure again with a new strip and the color matched the 50 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing amount I had just tested. So now I have 6 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. After following the test procedure, the color seemed closest to the 25 ppm color on the chart, however the difference between 25-50 ppm is not much, and it just seemed closer to 25 ppm.

I then repeated this whole 3 step process with another ml of the CDS, testing at 2 oz., 4 oz., and 6 oz. dilutions, and the readings were all identical to the prior tests as far as I could tell. I think the most reliable reading of all is the 100 ppm reading because that color seems to be easiest to clearly distinguish on the color chart for the test strips.

Therefore, based on the above, this CDS undiluted is running at 5900 ppm of chlorine dioxide, which is twice as strong as my prior batches using the forced air as I related here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8662&limit=6&limitstart=12&Itemid=66#8700. You can also tell from the taste; even with adding 4 oz of water to a 1 ml dose it still burns your throat a little.

Michael Harrah

Orv, I'd say you had complete saturation at that point. What temperature was the water you were keeping the 2 oz bottle in? If it were a bit higher than 160 degrees, it's possible that it caused the gas to bubble out quicker.

orv wrote:

Hi Pam I got my green sprouts 2 oz glass bottles today from ups. And went rite to work. But most of the bubbling in both bottles had completed in 45 min. All of the color in the 2oz bottle was gone and clear within 1:15 min. so I stoped every thing and bottled up everthing and put it all in refer. Tried it out and was no real taste but a little tiny burn in my throat which a little more water took care of. I'll be glad to hear your comparing with your strips.

Yikes, this is confusing to me still - hate to be so picky. I guess I'm still trying to find how many million parts (or portion thereof) are in a 3 drop dose and the same in a 1mL dose and see how they compare. If you have 5900 ppm, like .0059 per part, but I don't know how many parts are in a 3 drop measurement or in a 1mL measurement. That would be the most useful How would I find that out?

Or, would you just be willing to go back and do the same 2oz, 4oz, 6oz testing with a 3 drop activated MMS1?
Pam

Michael wrote:

MAKING & TESTING CDS USING
THE JIM HUMBLE METHOD
5900 ppm chlorine dioxide this time

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Michael Harrah

Thanks, Steve. Are you using the HCl to activate your mms1, in your example, also?

I'm not going to activate with HCl , I'm going to be following Jim's protocol, at least for the time being - as will many of us. So, I need to find the ppm, I guess, in 1 to 3 drops of of the regular 50% citric acid activated MMS1, and the same in the citric acid mix for 1mL of CDS.

You're light years ahead of us, Steve <G>. Most of us home DIYers are going to be following Jim's protocol, I imagine, and for me, I would like to be sure that, following his protocol, what I have in a mL of CDS equals 3 drops of MMS1. (or 4 drops)

I do have the 1-500 testing strips, just not the 1-10.

Hey, I'm all for easy - I have a gram scale, LOL.

Pam I noticed that in Jim's video he started out with 160 to 165 degrees then he came back and said he had gone up to 180 degrees so I just stayed with 180 but my cheap burner kept going up to 190 degrees. I also had to add hot tap water once during cooking time and that delayed everything for 7 to 8 min and finally got it to stay about 182 degrees. Next time I'll start at 165 degrees. Tell us what happens with your experience. Thanks Orv

Michael thank you for your very simple and complete instructions. The more complete they are the better they are for most of us.

Yes. I tried to keep mine pretty much at 150. But since this was my first time, I watched it like a hawk, LOL. I have a really cheap hot plate, and I'm not sure it would ever turn off, so I just was careful. I noticed when I finally quit some VERY TINY bubbles still coming up in the MMS/CA solution, but nothing in the CDS solution.

My first experience was - as I told a friend - an epic fail. I'm not sure what happened. I had no problems with Andreas' protocol, but this time, even with the water already at 150 degrees, it took quite a while before the gas started to go over, and it was maybe 10 or 15 minutes before I got any action in the 8 oz bottle, and then it really didn't bubble much - and almost 30 minutes before the 8 oz bottle started to go yellow - at 40 minutes it was still just barely yellow, not bubbling in the 8 oz bottle, and I decided to toss that batch. I THINK I didn't give enough time for activation. But I don't know.

So, I made a fresh batch of MMS and a fresh batch of citric acid. The MMS/CDS were still room temp/warm (not hot) from being made when I put them in the 2 oz bottle. (Maybe that was part of the other problem, they were cold from the fridge...) - I got it all hooked back up again, and it started off-gassing into the distilled water-filled 8 oz bottle immediately. That bottle had been sitting in ice water for some time, though. This time I waited 30 seconds to let the MMS/CDS activate, and everything went fine.

Although I didn't notice appreciable off-gassing from the "topless" 8 oz baby bottle during the process, I noticed that when I took the 8 oz bottle out of the ice water to pour into a jar for the fridge that at that point, there was some off-gassing from the open baby jar. (got a whiff that "bit" the back of my throat, LOL) - I immediately got the CDS into the fridge, and took the 2 oz jar into the back pantry, where I have just a little mold. I'm going to let it finish off-gassing there (not to worry, it can't get back into the house from there).

So, that was my experience.

orv wrote:

Pam I noticed that in Jim's video he started out with 160 to 165 degrees then he came back and said he had gone up to 180 degrees so I just stayed with 180 but my cheap burner kept going up to 190 degrees. I also had to add hot tap water once during cooking time and that delayed everything for 7 to 8 min and finally got it to stay about 182 degrees. Next time I'll start at 165 degrees. Tell us what happens with your experience. Thanks Orv