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CDS Reaction on new patients....

tingling in the eyes with lightly pain for a while, Ears numbness and lightly pain for a while..., Fast heart beats for a while, Short of breath for a while..., Stomach have some windy feels for a while..., Throats irritating for a while....., Feels of body warm for a while (on high dose by me), Fatigue for a while....

So far no nausea occur from my side....

Edwin, how much are they diluting it to drink? I wonder if more dilution would eliminate some of the reactions. Or, if the CDS is just causing a strong reaction in the areas that need the most work. (which would be a good thing, in my estimation) -


This is an excellent video, with a LOT of information, but still shows that CDS manufacture is what I call "a moving target" . As they continue to experiment, things are changing and codifying. If you really understand the procedure from his first video, you can see the evolution here, and realize that there's not a LOT of change. I think, ultimately, there will probably be at least another one coming out later, when the dust settles.

I do like the addition of the Sweetwater air diffuser, as this makes tinier bubbles. www.aquaticeco.com/subcategories/3533/Sweetwater-Air-Diffusers - and he goes into why these particular diffusers (ceramic or glass) are to be used, rather than the plastic ones you get at normal aquarium stores.

He was recommending the AS1, however, depending on the size of the HDPE tubing, it might not work - I would strongly recommend you get on the phone with acquaticeco and let them know both the ID of the HDPE tubing you are using before you purchase. Or... you may want to change out your HDPE tubing - My tubing is 3/8" OD and 1/4" ID. It looks like the sweetwater comes with a nipple that would fit inside the tubing.

In the video, Jim tries to address all the problems that can potentially arise from making CDS at home. Apparently there were some "explosions" in the bottles of people mixing CDS at home (don't know how many), so he emphasized over again that the receiving bottle MUST be open at the top and he's opened a small vent hole in the mixing bottle nipple. He is encouraging people to have active ventilation when they make it - a fan at the table and a fan in the window. He's trying to make this as safe as possible to manufacture.

He now states there is no need to ice the receiving bottle

He is now talking about having the mixing bottle heated to no more than 180 degrees, but rather than 150-160 degrees, now closer to 180 degrees.

He is basically allowing more time for activation, before the 2oz bottle going into the hot water. His timing on this is watching to see when the gas starts over the tubing.

This rise in temperature and additional activation time shortens the processing time, considerably, from 2 hrs to 15-30 minutes. In fact, you may well be able to make a couple of 8 oz bottles of CDS from the 1 oz of MMS1 and 1 oz of Citric Acid.

Where he is most unclear (to me) is in the portion where he determines the ppm and dosing.

I thought his using the blue gatorade as a testing mechanism (if you're in the jungle without test strips) is ingenious - and he is certainly not afraid to show failure, so that we know what that looks like <G>.

At one point in the video he starts talking about a gram measure, rather than a mL - I think he just miss-called the word he was wanting to use. Everything else had been discussed in mL, and he was using the same syringe barrel to measure, so I think he meant to say mL.

I know Michael's and Steve's CDS is standardized at the 3000ppm per liter Jim is discussing, so if you prefer to purchase from a vendor, rather than make your own, he has made that recommendation, and has provided Michael's email address (CONGRATS, Michael and Steve!!!). I understand from off-forum communication that he knows Michael and Steve are working together - along with Dr. Ron - to provide a consistant, standardized CDS.

Depending on how you make it at home, you can get much more than 3000ppm (which could affect the dosing amount). In his initial "how to" video of several weeks ago, after 2 hrs at 150 degrees, the CDS tested fairly consistently at almost 6000ppm per liter, which then required a .5mL dosing to get the 3 drop equivalent.

He inadvertently got that much or more (since the testing strips don't measure above 500) in a 5 minute (after it went in the hot water) batch. His suggestion was to dilute the batch down to the 3000 level. I think this is probably going to be the most confusing for people making it at home. I know I'll have to go back to the testing strips to see where my first couple of batches fall - and I'll write down each step and the timing of it, so that I can get consistency, and so that I will know that if I do "X" at "Y" minutes, the batch will consistently fall at "z" ppm, and I can either adjust the dosing size or add additional water (and how much) to bring the ppm down.

The nice thing is that we do now have - on the video - dosing information and we do have a recommended vendor/supplier.

Pam

Another thing that is very good on this video is that finally we have a standard to the drops size issue.
1ml=25drops

My MMS bottle gives 18drops for 1ml so i have been taking to much drops, now i know how to calculate the right dosage.

And now, for the CDS when we say that 1ml is equal to 3 drops we know what a drop means.
although each of us have a different dropper we should all use the standard drops (25d=1ml) and calculate our droppers accordingly that way we will al be on the same page when we say - X drops= X ppm= X ml.


Thank you Jim

For those who have dropper bottles that make larger or smaller drops, they will probably need to either buy a new dropper that does equal 25 drops=1mL, or they will need to say, "my dropper only takes 18 drops to make 1mL - since I want 1mL, I'll only use 18 drops" - I think the constant here is the 1mL - Maybe that is what you were saying, Nir.

It seemed to me that one of the things Jim was acknowledging was that a "3 drop dose of mms1" might not have been consistent in the past because of the different size orifices on the droppers. We took a 3 drop dose, and it may or may not have been the same size dose as our neighbor's 3 drop dose... The probably figured it was close enough that they weren't going to worry about it. But now he's codifying it, and comparing it to mLs and encouraging the vendors to be sure they've all got the same size.

I do like measuring CDS in mLs - 1mL is 1mL no matter where you measure it.

One other thing to think about for people that are making CDS at home.

Consider using a tall and thin container at the receiving end where the CDS is being made.
The taller the container is, the more time the bubbles will go through water and more time for the CD to go into the water before it is being released into the air.

you can see what i use in the picture -

Thank you Pam,
Your expanations were absolutely useful.What is the air deffuser must be made of? And what is "blue gatorade" ? Can you simplify it a little more pls?
Thank you

Gatorade is a "sports drink" that was first developed by the team captain for the Florida Gators (a college football team) to hydrate the students who were playing football. It is a sweet drink that has electrolytes. Pepsico bought the formula and now markets it in 80 countries. It was the original sports drink, I believe, although there are many copies. it comes in lots of colors <G>. Blue is only one - and it's the one Jim uses for his off-the-cuff ppm measurement.

Here's the lemon/lime one -
- this is NOT the one Jim is recommending using - he wants the blue one.

The air diffuser is what makes bubbles in aquariums. He is recommending it be made of ceramic or gas.

Thank you for your respose Pam. I was wandering if the tipical vendilator which is been used above the electric stove in the kichen would be enough for vendilation if we do the cds preparation just on top of our stove [ here we call it e;ecric kitchen] and under the electric vendilator ?
also no Gatorade i can found here.!!!