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I decided to write this post after my short experience with different kind of MMS i bought that brought to many questions.

I found out about MMS a few weeks ago, I read the books watched some videos on Youtube and read a lot on the internet. then i decided to try it for my medical condition.

For some reason (which i will not go into at this moment because it is to long story) i bought MMS and DMSO from two different suppliers on the internet.

The two brands were so different that i could not know which one is the good one if any at all.

the difference's are -
1. one have big drops the other have small drops (half the size of the first one)
2. one, when activated turn into very strong yellow with small Bubbles forming at the bottom of the glass (when activated) the other when activated have a light yellow color with no bubbles forming at all (i think one is more concentrate then the other)
3. one have DMSO that have very strong bad smell the other have no smell at all.

So-
one MMS kit - big drops, very strong taste and bubbles forming when activated. with DMSO that have bad smell
second MMS kit - small drops, mild taste no bubbles forming when activated with DMSO that have no smell

now, let say that the second one is the good one. that means that as long as i have been using the first one (and if i have never bought the second one i would have used the first one for weeks) i would have been using double the amount of drops needed in the protocol because the dropper is double the size of the second kit, it is also much more concentrated (or maybe there is other reason for the bubbles, other chemicals in it? ), so i will end up with a much much larger dose, Diarrhea and many side effect of a large dose that are not needed if i knew that the dose/concentration are to high.

now, if the first one is the right one and i was taking the second one that means that i will take half the dose that is needed and probably my health problem will not be healed.

same thing with the DMSO - on the Internet you can find - 99.98% Pure DMSO, 70% DMSO Solution, 50% DMSO Solution, with smell, without smell. what is the right one for , let say, protocol 1000+ ? i have no idea....

Jim humble say that millions of people tried MMS in the past few years. how many thousands of them didn't get good Results because their MMS was to weak or their dropper was to small and they took half the dose that is needed?
on the other hand, how many thousands of people got severe diarrhea, dizziness, Stomach pain and any other side effect because their dropper was double the size that it suppose to be and they over dose it without knowing and maybe stop using MMS because of that?

how many people took the wrong DMSO? and didn't get the best result they could have had if they had the Right information.

All those things can be avoided by simple instructions in the books or on this web site along with the protocols.

for example -
Drop size - please check your drops size before starting the protocol, take your dropper and put 300 drops of water in a glass, if your dropper have the right size you should have X milliliter/milligram of water in the glass. if you have much less then that then your dropper is to small, if you have much more you're dropper is to big. please adjust the number of drops you need to take if you have a different size dropper or find another dropper that have the right size of drops.

MMS concentration/quality check - here it is more difficult... maybe pictures, yes bubbles no bubbles....

DMSO - just say what you need - 50% or 99.8% with smell or without smell. more details....

the resolute of doing that will bring more success stories, less side effects, less confusion, more confidence for people that they are doing it right.

without that a lot of people will end up not curing their health problems, many will have unnecessary side effects and bad name for the MMS treatment.

So, back to me... i have both of those MMS kits, I have no idea which one is the right one.
At first i used the first one with the bוbbles, it have a very strong taste it gave me mild Diarrhea strong dizziness and Stomach pain. but maybe it is the good one and i just need to take less.

the second one - no Diarrhea no dizziness and no Stomach pain but maybe it is to weak to handle my health condition.

and just because i bought those two kits from two different suppliers i know that one of them is good and the other is not, i just do not know which one is which, maybe both are not good...

Same with the DMSO....

hope you understand the problems this kind of thing can bring to the MMS stories in the world. all because there is no reliable source of information that explains in detail how to check your MMS before starting with any protocol.

Thank you for reading this
any comments will be appreciated
if you think you can tell me which one of the kits i should use that will be very helpful.

Thank you
Nir

Hi Nir,

I think that the questions you're raising are very good. They're similar to many that I have made myself, many on this forum, in the last year and a half, and which I think it will benefit Genesis II to deal with more specifically.

The drop size question is a very important one, one that has been addressed by Dr. Hesselink on his websites. It's obvious that if there's a difference in the size of the drops there must be a difference in the size of the amount of chlorine dioxide going into (or onto) your body. At this time, we don't REALLY know what the most beneficial doses of chlorine dioxide are for any particular condition. This requires a lot more testing, and creative, outside of the box testing at that, possibly in clinical settings, etc.

But the time and funding don't seem to be there, largely because of the general insanity (I don't think that's too strong a word) of human society in the area of wellness care, human bio-chemistry, allocation of wealth, and so forth.

One thing that I think that the emerging model of wellness care, and also the Genesis II Church, are about is the acceptance of, and support for, wellness self-responsibility. The current Medical Model for what it calls Health Care is based on the authority of the "doctor" and the ignorance and lack of self-sufficiency of a "patient." The doctors of the Genesis II Church must have a different approach to healing. We need to nurture our clients' self-sufficiency, confidence that they have all the tools they need to allow healing in their living systems, and capacity to apply common-sense science as their own expert on their wellness.

This is something that your posts indicate to me you are doing for yourself. In the capacity of the ultimate expert on your own wellness, you're noticing some of the key issues to using the Genesis II sacraments in your own protocols. As you understand this better for yourself, please share your knowledge and together we'll make Genesis II more and more effective in "Creating A New World Without Disease."

In health freedom,
Bruce

Hi Bruce

Some thing you wrote i agree and some not but i'm not going to get into it now, and you know why?
Because I feel that this forum can deal with hard question like help with my Cancer or HIV but when someone like me doesn't tell everyone what is my health situation i just tell my problem with choosing between two different MMS NOBODY try to help.
And how can they help - they can simply write - when I activate my MMS there are or aren't any Bubbles forming or MY DMSO have or doesn't have smell - share their experience to those questions.
47 People read this post until now and none of then thought of giving their own experience with those simple two questions i have.

So, i do NOT see the point of waisting my time and explaining my thoughts here if people here don't even have the tiniest will of giving their own experience. even you, in your response did not think of giving those two questions an answer with the MMS and DMSO (if you use it) that you use.

But thank you any way for being the only one who bother to say something about what i wrote even if it didn't really help me know which MMS kit i should use.

"Thank you" all

I am in the US.
I purchased 1 pound of sodium chlorite on ebay for $7 with $12 shipping for a total of $19.
In the future, I will look for a source who I think has a high quality of sodium chlorite.
I do believe what I received does work fine.
I mixed my own in my kitchen following the first book by Jim.
I initially used vinegar, then a lemon, then I went to a spice company and purchased 30 ounces of citric acid for I think was $6.71.
I had used 10%, then moved to 50% and for workdays/weekdays, I usually mix up 1/4 teaspoon and drink 1/8th of that every hour or so.
It has a strong chlorine dioxide smell as stated by Jim.

I purchased 99% DMSO from Jacob Labs and took some of that to mix 70% DMSO with 30% distilled water.
Neither my 99% DMSO or my 70% DMSO has any smell.

I just mixed 4 drops MMS with 4 drops 50% citric acid. There were no bubbles.
I waited about 22 seconds. There were no bubbles.
The color was a deep yellow.
I added 4 drops of 70% DMSO and waited 3 minutes. There were no bubbles.
After 3 minutes, there were still no bubbles and the color was still yellow.
I added filtered city water, maybe 3 ounces of water. I held my nose and drank it.
I added more water to the glass again and drank that.
This was the first time I held my nose and it worked to keep me from the bad taste.
I will try and remember to hold my nose next time.

I have had great results with MMS. This batch helped me to get rid of my acid reflux a year ago and I no longer need to get Nexium (20mg).

My other results were an almost immediate relief of knee pain, immediate relief of toothache when using it on a toothbrush.
My mom had a bump on her forehead for years and used MMS on it and it fell off right away with no mark on her skin.
I probably have other good results but can't remember right now.

I wish you well and I hope this helps.

Joe

Hi Nir, sorry about the delay in my responding,

I have been making my own MMS and activators for a couple years now. I have had doses of MMS and citric acid that bubbled and those that don't, and this is out of the same 2 bottles. So what caused the bubbling on some occasions and not others? I do not know. I do not think bubbling or not bubbling is a problem, either way is fine.

What you said about the DMSO is probably true, the one that smells a lot is more of an industrial grade. But it probably works just as well. I buy DMSO from my local feed store (FWI Tulsa OK) and have purchased it online and it does not smell much. Gaylord is the company that appears to make much of the DMSO in the US, and possibly throughout the world. They claim on their site to be the only ones making USP (US pharmacopia) grade DMSO under cGMP conditions (www.gaylordchemical.com/products/dmsousp.htm). I don't know if that means they are the only producer of USP grade in the world.

FWI in Tulsa OK does apparently produce their own DMSO and they supply it to the veterinary market. I have consumed a lot of theirs and I think it is excellent quality but apparently you cannot get a certificate of analysis from them.

Gaylord sells many grades of DMSO. I talked with the company and the true USP grade costs about 10 times more than the other grades of DMSO available at my chemical supplier. I only know of one site that probably sells true USP grade DMSO (shop.apricotsfromgod.info/DMSO-8-oz-bottle-21.htm) because it is $38 for 8 oz. and that would be more in line with the price the company told me.

Everyone else in the US is selling one of the other Gaylord grades as far as I can tell, unless Jacob labs makes their own somehow. Gaylord has one grade called Pharmasolvent (www.gaylordchemical.com/products/dmsopharmasolvent.php) which looks to me like it would be the cleanest and yet affordable. I bought a drum of this and have a certificate of analysis on it that says it is 99.99% pure. Interestingly it doesn't tastes as good as the FWI at the feed store to my tastes.

My local chemical supplier sells the Pharmasolvent and the Industrial grades of Gaylord, and they are the same price at my supplier. Gaylord's products are available in Europe they told me because I was asking in reference to that, but I imagine they are available throughout the world.

I am only guessing, but I think all the grades of DMSO will work for what we are doing. The cleaner grades are supposed to smell less though, according to the company literature.

I think both your kits could be used for MMS therapy. The one with bigger drops would be giving you bigger doses, so you just adjust for it as best you can. The MMS protocols are self correcting to a degree because you are not supposed to keep taking doses that give you too many symptoms/reactions. You want to stay just under that level.

If you are trying to take protocol 1000 and stay on three drop doses and using the one kit with smaller drops allows you to do that with no problems then you can proceed that way. If the kit with larger drops gives you problems at 3 drops then maybe staying at 2 drop doses will work. When Jim was curing people in Africa it sounds like he did not have drop devices that are any more accurate than we have.

Joe--thanks a llot for your helpful comments on this thread. That is good info, everyone can learn to make their own.

Michael

[see also this post genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=39&id=933&limit=6&limitstart=6&Itemid=66#13242 ]

thanks Michael
One more thing about those two kits i have, if you can comment please -

I tried doing the gas on skin treatment , not the one with the plastic bag all over the body but the one that you put a few drops in a small glass and putting it against the skin letting the MMS gas flow to the skin.
I did it with both kits - same amount of drops and size of glass.
first kit with the bubbles after a few minutes all of the glass was filled with yellow smoke.
the second kit i could smell the gas but no smoke at all.

does it sound right to you , those two different reactions?

Thank you
Nir

Sounds like the first one with a lot of smoke is the more concentrated one, but from my experience MMS does smoke upon activation but funnily enough not as much every time even when using the same MMS solution from the same bottle.

Would like to point out that making your own is probably the best way to go if you are using SC on a steady basis, you could buy any brand that you like which is of quality from a good direct source, but you will always get people copying brands and this might be an issue that is not so controllable in the future if rip off artist start posing as direct approved suppliers of MMS yet are supplying inferior products.

Thanks,

David

Hi Nir,

I'll give you my opinion about the yellow smoke. I think yellow smoke is just a higher concentration of chlorine dioxide gas. This gas is yellow.

I think the kit that is giving you the bubbles and the smoke is giving you a greater activation and more chlorine dioxide. Maybe it is because the acid is more concentrated, or maybe the MMS solution is more than the other kit or maybe both. I activate my MMS doses for the bag protocol where you gas inside a bag with HCl and that activation is always stronger/bubbling/quicker than citric acid activation.

You could try switching the activators for the two kits and see if you get the same characteristics, although still it doesn't really tell you whether one has a weaker acid or a weaker MMS solution.

I'll tell you another odd experience I have had with these chemicals lately and I can't explain. I have been taking 2 teaspoon doses of 99% DMSO four times a day now for a couple months. At first I was activating a 3 drop dose of MMS with HCl in a shot glass then adding the 2 tsp. of DMSO. Sometimes the yellow (chlorine dioxide) in the dose completely disappeared in about 5 seconds and there was some smoke. Other times it took 30 seconds or a minute for the yellow to disappear and there was no noticeable smoke. These differences would occur from the same three bottles of chemicals. I don't know if this would occur with citric acid activation because I didn't try it.

I have no idea why such huge differences in reaction could occur. I observed this a great many times, then I stopped putting the 2 tsp. of DMSO into my dose of MMS. I just take the 3 drop dose immediately before the DMSO. Probably if I added .5 cup of water to the activated 3 drop dose BEFORE adding the DMSO, then the chlorine dioxide would not dissipate/react away, based on Bruce's experiences.

Bruce has done many experiments with adding much less DMSO to activated MMS solutions and has not observed a loss in yellow color, indicating the chlorine dioxide remains in the solution for long periods of time. This appears to be counter to Jim's advice that such mixes only last 6 hrs. and the yellow goes away. I have not done the experiments Bruce has done, but I completely believe what he his saying, and I also believe Jim has observed what he has said.

I am beginning to think the reactions can vary quite a bit even using the same materials out of the same bottles and it seems to depend on other minor circumstances like temperature, humidity, and who knows what else.

David-- I completely appreciate your advice on this thread. This is all still new, everyone is learning, we're doing the best we can, each situation is different, and we have to use our own intuition to help us out.

Blessings to all,

Michael

thank you Michael and ZnzMagic
here is my response to some of the things you wrote -
ZnzMagic -
you wrote - it the MMS is making you sick because you are overdosing due to drop size, always use the fundamental of using MMS, reduce the dosage to a level where you are not being sick and build up again.

The thing is if i take the same amount from both the kits , the bubble one will make me sick and the other one will not. and the bubble one have a strong taste (i mix it with water not juice) that it is hard to take , the other one have a very mild test that i have no problem drinking it.

you wrote - Firstly try and buy MMS and DMSO from recommended suppliers. This will atleast cut down the risk of being supplied to strong or to weak an MMS solution, I believe there is like a semi official list of suppliers of MMS approved by Genesis 2 Church.

The first kit (bubbles) i bought from an Israeli guys (im from israel) they know how to make it from the first book of jim humble, i don't know from where they get the chemicals or the DMSO.

The second Kit with the DMSO i bout from Germany - www.vitalundfitmit100.de/

For now i cant make it myself because i didn't find any place in Israel that sell chlorine dioxite. in all the pool stores here they have many other chemical but not this one...

You wrote - I have heard before that the American DMSO is the real thing, the European DSMO is perhaps not as effective, so from a distance and without knowing your original sources of DMSO or MMS it is not easy to comment further. The bottle quality of the MMS or the DMSO might be inferior in any of the products you have.

One kit is from Germany - MMS+DMSO 99.8% from - www.vitalundfitmit100.de/
the other one is from Israel from an unknown source.

You wrote - what are you trying to heal, is DMSO really necessary?

I will be happy to talk to you in private and tell you what im trying to heal. i asked the genesis2church support team what protocol i should use for my condition and they told me 1000+

MICHAEL
you wrote - You could try switching the activators for the two kits and see if you get the same characteristics.

I did all the combination possible, i also made my own 50%citric acid solution it doesn't matter, one will always have bubbles and very strong taste (the Israeli one) and the other will always not have bubbles and very weak taste(the German one).

I add the DMSO after activation and before adding water. it doesn't change the color or taste of the MMS.

you wrote - I am beginning to think the reactions can vary quite a bit even using the same materials out of the same bottles.

for me both kits are always react the same . one is stronger then the other. one will always have bubbles the other will not.


thank you
Nir