Bruce your reasoning is dead on I would have to say. Thank you.
John you look like a pro at creating confusion in all honesty. I have been watching the MMS forums for a while now and have yet to see anything suggesting this claim, "One thing I've just encountered in my research for municipal water treatment methods is the repeated claim that Chlorine Dioxide can cause nerve damage in children and anemia in adults."
Good ole silverfox the hired pharma troll hasn't even made that claim yet so where is the support for it? Looks like damage control and spin doctoring to me.
Bruce's points are well stated. If you are going to make such claims John, please back them up with something.
Re: Fink autopsy results made public as dangerous MMS promoted as cure...
17 May 2011 19:26 #2620
Administrator's note: This is the last post by member JohnBee. Apparently, having what I and others see as bald-faced inaccurate claims questioned was intolerable for him. It should be amply clear that he made no good faith responses to the questions put to him, or explanations of them being mistaken or misunderstood. Many attacks are made on MMS that seem designed to place nebulous doubts in the minds of people before they try using MMS, MMS2, DMSO, or other "marginalized" healing methods as part of their quest to take responsibility for their own wellness in the face of the blindness of much of the medical industry.
brtanner wrote: I definitely had the experience of developing a distaste for the smell of MMS when it was activating. There are various theories for why this happens, but it's a common phenomenon. However, it's hardly "intolerance."
So having the ability to tolerate something(taste and smell) which later turns into not having the ability to tolerate something is not intolerance?
Based on this I don't think we'd ever agree on whatever angle you're proposing, though I can assure you that many people have grown intolerant to both the taste and smell that is derived from the ingestion of MMS. And that is a known fact which has proven to be true in my case, and in many other people that I know who have taken MMS long term.
And it doesn't really bother me that this happens, I mean people can grow intolerant to the taste of anything at all under constant or significant exposure, however what does bother me is the obvious undertone developed in your responses at the sight of complications following the use of MMS. Which is to say.. I'm not at all shocked though I am disappointed that I would find the same level of behaviors from both the skeptic and proponents side of the MMS groups online.
This also seems to be somewhat confusing and inaccurate, almost trying to make what is, actually, a very simple chemistry acting harmlessly in the body sound like something only a professional scientist can understand. My experience, and that of everyone I've encountered who worked long-term with MMS/sodium chlorite solution, has been that the nausea and diarrhea were exclusively the result of an excessive level of toxins either in my bloodstream or in my digestive tract from the breakdown of pathogens or toxic compounds. Everyone I've ever communicated with about this, and many people I've worked with using MMS has experienced the development of progressively less reactivity as their bodies become less toxic. I don't vibrate harmoniously with the use of such expressions as unspecified "digestive alterations," or suggestions that digestive enzymes are needed to be able to use MMS. There are other simple, common sense measures that we've used in dealing with detox/Herxheimer reactions, such as taking Bentonite or Zeolite to absorb toxins in the gut so that they're flushed out and not re-assimilated into the bloodstream.
What if I told you that I can take citric acid(minus the MMS) and end-up with diarrhea. Note: I would say this might indicate that this was one of the approx. 1% of the population that has an allergy to citric acid - this has NOTHING to do with the action of MMS.
And of course, I already know the reflex response(where's your proof) is next, but beyond that... don't you think it's a little uncanny that common folk such as myself have the experience to back-up the claims?
Well unfortunately, in cases such as these, theory doesn't trump fact as you would be hard pressed to show(equally) that MMS either does not induce of cause diarrhea under certain conditions(ie. large doses long term). But we do know this... if you give the mentioned MMS protocol to a perfectly healthy person, they will indeed develop diarrhea. But you don't have to take my word for it. Just try it and see for yourself(see).
Please post evidence of the blood tests you mention. When I see anyone mentioning anything like "concerns on the issue of anemia and/or nerve damage" it naturally piques my interest, as, so far no one has EVER produced evidence of such. And I think that Big Pharma and the FDA have done a lot of research into finding anything they can use to attack the use of chlorine dioxide internally. I'm disturbed by the nature of what you're posting, John, and I find it quite anomalous from someone who ostensibly expresses gratitude for the effects of MMS on his wellness.
And how do you propose I share these findings exactly?
I would consider such response to be on par with the responses I found in another forum which was riddled with anti-MMS fanatics. To which I might add. the act of calling out people on their word based on unrealistic terms can only be concluded as a negative response. I don't know what part of the world you live in(I'm sure it varies) but when we go to the hospital and get blood work done, the results are given to us orally by a doctor. And though there are times when scans and/or radiographs are shown, for the most part, we never see them.
But more importantly... your response is nothing more than an elaborate attack on my credibility. But notice how you yourself can't deal with the fact that I am grateful that the MMS has given me my life back, however I am also aware of the consequences that follow taking it? Yes... imagine the shock of knowing that a person can both appreciate and respect something at the very same time.
Anyways... I'm done here.
As it is quite clear that this forum is no better than the rest of the forums with regards to the realities surrounding the use and benefits of MMS. Which is to bad really, because out of all the places I would have expected closed mindedness, this would have been the last of them.
Please delete my account now.
I have no interest in being a part of this community.
I've been reading the last few mails, and first of all I like to mention, that a friend of mine used to have diarrhoea (lose stool) for almost 15 years. But since he is using MMS, his stool is normal. This goes to show that not everybody reacts the same and diarrhoea can be healed with MMS too, provided it is used correctly.
I saw some post with those 4 blood-samples and was wondering how those blood-samples prove anything? Who is to say that those first sample show some other problems in the blood, or the darker colour is a result of an older sample becoming darker with time?
Intolerance is in the eyes of the beholder.
Don't let your guard down? I agree with this, because we still don't have all the facts regarding MMS EITHER WAY...smile
Thanks for the great testimonial of 15 yrs of diarrhea going away with MMS! You are right it is good to know MMS can heal that too.
I agree that we should all keep our eyes open for the truth. There is nothing to be gained by turning a blind eye to the truth, just like there is also nothing to be gained by falling for carefully crafted lies. Isn't life fun!
Just so everyone knows, I placed a temporary ban on JohnBee until Bruce can take a look at his last post. I did this because I do not believe this person is acting in good faith and I consider his last post to be offensive. We will let Bruce decide. I think Bruce is doing a wonderful job of making this a safe, friendly place where people can offer and receive help.
Thank you for your understanding and patience,
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MMS on my side did help far too many people have better live compare to the risk mentioned. As advice by bishop Jim, our only way to control is the reduce / stop / increase action. When done correctly, there are more benefits than any negative effect.
Bishop Jim also told us that even table salts can be dangerous if we used it wrongly. I really wish the new comer can look through this clearly for their health benefits for many years to come. If one choose not to believed, no one is ever feel the pain of the diseases than the person who had diseases suffering itself.
If this JohnBee is so intelligent, he should understand the way how MMS work in the first place. He should develop a better way to improved the treatment with MMS and inform public about its discovery rather than just telling things that not helping the public but to get people stay away from MMS usage. This is no good intention at all.
Like my own founding, i do believed certain people may be under oxidative stress but i never said MMS is dangerous but instead i teach people to go high antioxidant for few day then restart the MMS Treatments. And i did see people improved in taking MMS and all side effect is gone. Then i post it for the public or share in this forum.
first timer should knows that even if you are not familiar in MMS, If you are serious, if you read all the post from our good member here who is positive and see our sharing, you will indeed see many caution and good report we all get from using MMS. If you compare to the ratio of those negative to the MMS, you can simply understand that they are some kind of Devil in this world that like to harm people.
Take your time to read all the post in this forum. It has been categories nicely for all the reader in this forum.
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Hello, everyone. New member, Alejandro from México, first post here.
Context: Came to this site from a link found inside a document found inside a Drive folder (
) posted by a YouTube channel on a video discrediting Andreas Kalcker/MMS/CDS ( ) so I landed here because I got really curious about the death of Mrs. Fink, it really seemed shocking. But… after reading the whole thread, boy! I'm still more convinced of taking MMS! I'm glad I landed amongst such educated people!! Plus, found out about a lot more that I was looking for. HA! Too bad the links you shared are no longer alive, would have loved to read those blogs and paper articles as well, I'm a bit of a nerd as you might guess!
Okay, very briefly, heard Humble talk about MMS about 5 years ago ( ) and thought it couldn't be possible, "the Red Cross would be using that MMS thing everywhere." As a good skeptic, I tried it on myself (no animals were going to get hurt by my skepticism) in 2017-18 and didn't got sick. I usually had the "flu" 2-3 times a year, so not falling sick for 2 years in a row was a change and a VERY welcomed improvement. I know it was the effect of MMS because I don't take any type of medicine/pills, just lots of citrus, water and rest. So the test went good. I ran out so I tried 2019 to go without and fell sick 3 times, the last one in August 2019 and almost went into the hospital. Doc gave me a triple injection for 8 days and got better. Sodium chlorite was nowhere to be found at my local "oldies" drug store until late January this year, just in time. I actually woke up with fever and coughing at 3 am, after weeks of watching the coronavirus unfold in China and facepalming every time the WHO praised them, I knew that something bad was coming, but never thought it was going to be THIS bad. So, yeah, I'm grateful to Humble and Kalcker and everyone who is sharing this alternative to take control of our own health. I'm not afraid of what they say on the news, the veil has dropped. I feel immense compassion for the human kind now, everyone's living frightened, imprisoned by the old dogma, fooled by the media and the politically correct medical science.
What I've felt with MMS? In one word, health. Used to take 1:2 drops MMS:lemon juice. Never got nausea nor diarrhoea. The heaviest dosage was in 2018, 3 drops/hour for 8 hours for roughly 1.5-2 months. I was only testing the waters, didn't had any major illness I was addressing. These past months, the heaviest dosage was 6:12 drops (MMS/LJ) per day 1hr before breakfast. Last week I finally bought chlorhidric acid and I'm taking 2:2 drops every morning, wanting to up the ante every 2 weeks to 6 drops per day. Taking it with lemon juice was not very pleasant in terms of taste, but I'd never call it "intolerance" because that's not the term. It's merely a bad taste which to my mind was easy to overcome with thoughts like "You don't like the taste, little baby? Quit being such a c**t, this is a small price to pay for the health that is now yours, does the people who died yesterday wouldn't have traded their fortune for just a sip of this?" So yeah, I'm happy taking it and will keep taking it. In a more personal, deep way, after taking it, it's like my body congratulates me, it knows it makes it good, really hard to put into words this inner knowing of doing the right thing. Weird.
Now, Mrs. Fink… well, very strange case indeed… took only 2 drops, no burns in mouth/trachea, fatty liver, previous medication, blood tests taken weeks after death, dodgy autposy… Nobody mentions her having any problems breathing or turning blue due to a lack of oxygen. There is no context as to how she got the substance, there is no actual analysis to the substance she indeed ingested. If she had no chemical burnt then it wasn't the concentration… What could have be the reason for her passing? Did MMS reacted with some other drug? Could it be that she drank just a little rum after? I mean, she was a cruiser! Was her body so toxic it couldn't handle some sort of reaction? To me it sounds illogic that only 2 drops of MMS could have done such damage. My ex worked at a hospital and one time a teenager was checked in after drinking half a bottle (500 ml!!) of bleach, she got nasty burns internally but survived, so I'm pretty sure not even 2 drops of bleach can kill an adult person. It sounds to me like we have 2 probabilities. One is that the MMS caused a chain reaction with another medication + condition + warm weather + no healthcare access situation????? (highly improbable) or she actually drank something else that was not MMS. I guess it's too late to know but it does sound like a very isolated case because I haven't heard/read nothing like this. This whole Mrs. Fink's case is puzzling to me. She's the first and only death I've heard of that has been attributed to (a safe dosage of) MMS. Has this case been solved by now? Have you guys heard of any other case I can look up? What do you guys make of this?
MMS is getting really controversial, the people who are against seem like they're trying to save humanity from Satan and his minions, they seem to get a dark satisfaction ridiculing those who talk about it and take it, they refer to those who take it as brainwashed ignorants, idiots, and worse, but show no proof about the outrageous damage they claim MMS is inflicting to the poor, poor human population. Yet somehow forget to even mention about the side effects of allopathic medicine, chemotherapy, how vaccine labs are protected by Supreme Court in the US and specially, they forget to mention that iatrogenic damage is the third cause of death in the US. They are blind to all of that. But that's okay. What's intriguing to me (and totally not okay) is why censor the people who are talking about MMS??? If it didn't worked or if it was as dangerous as they claim, wouldn't there be more and more cases like Mrs. Fink and less cases of people getting healthier??
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