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Hi Steve, thanks for joining the conversation here.

I was hoping Jim had shared his reasoning with the bishops for the current way of making 8x3 (or MMSA as JB13 likes to call it), but I guess not. That’s too bad because it would be nice to know for sure what the logic is behind the current method of making activated MMS. Your insight into how the food industry uses sodium chlorite might give us a clue though, because the numbers that you mentioned are almost an exact match with how we currently activate sodium chlorite – just multiplied by 5:

5% sodium chlorite x 5 = 25% sodium chlorite
10% citric acid x 5 = 50% citric acid

Hummm… that’s pretty much what we’re using now. So maybe Jim is after the Chlorus Acid which, as you mentioned, “will also release gas over a period of time.”

You also wrote, “Being bound to the citric acid, the HCl in the stomach will not activate it in the same manner as if it were just MMS alone.” Is that what happens? Does the citric acid bind to the sodium chlorite? And then the sodium chlorite and the citric acid pass through the stomach lining and into the blood? If that’s how it works, and we then have sodium chlorite in the blood through that process, that would seem to be a very good and advantageous outcome of using citric acid and not using HCL which expends itself very rapidly in the activation process.

However, if it is the case that the sodium chlorite binds with the citric acid, and this is what we want, then it would seem that CDS is a very very different animal than 8x3 (activated MMS or MMSA as JB13 calls it) since it doesn’t have any citric acid in it, or sodium chlorite for that matter.

Now my wife and I have been using MMS long enough to have experience with all 3 methods plus 1 additional of my own: 15x2, 8x3 (or MMSA), CDS and the New 7 Day Fridge MMS:
- What we experienced with the 15x2 method was vomiting by the time we got to 7x2 (actually 7x1 because we were so sick in the morning that we were totally uninterested in taking the evening dose hahaha ).
- With 8x3 (MMSA), we both have had a much better experience but still a little nausea and more nausea (and diarrhea ) if we increased our dosage. Also, this really did seem to help us (and others we gave it to) to overcome whatever sickness we were using it for.
- With CDS, neither of us experienced any nausea at all but also it didn’t seem to help us to overcome sickness and so we eventually stopped using it. I also noticed that I would burp up some of the chlorine dioxide gas as it warmed up in my stomach and was forced out of the water that it was absorbed into.
- With the New 7 Day Fridge MMS (and the old one too) what we experience is no nausea at all, very little burping up of the chlorine dioxide gas and it seems to work better to overcome illness than the 8x3 (MMSA) method, which might just be due to the fact that we can take more of it faster without making ourselves sick. For example, I take the equivalent of 9 activated drops every morning on a totally empty stomach now as a maintenance dose and my wife will take the equivalent of 6 activated drops from time to time, if she feels a cold coming on or something. Currently, we are mixing palm sugar syrup into it which totally covers up the bad MMS taste and actually makes it a pleasure to drink. Another thing that I’ve noticed since doing the 9 drops every morning with the palm sugar syrup is a fairly big increase in energy/stamina. This is fairly easy for me to verify because every workday, about 2 hours after taking those 9 drops of MMS with the palm sugar syrup, I have to walk up 3 flights of stairs to get to the teacher’s room on the 4th floor of the school I teach at here in Indonesia. Before I started taking the 9 equivalent drops of MMS every morning, I would always have to rest after walking up 2 flights of stairs due to being out of breath and because of the muscle burn in my legs. Now though, I don’t have to stop, I’m not out of breath and there isn’t any muscle burn (or just a tiny bit). And then I also seem to just have more energy throughout the entire day.

I think you’re right on with what you said about chlorous acid playing a part in the way MMS works because chlorous acid, being unstable converts into hypochlorous acid (what the body’s immune system uses to fight disease). Here is an excerpt of a Wikipedia article on Chlorous Acid:
Chlorous acid is an inorganic compound with the formula HClO2. It is a weak acid. Chlorine has oxidation state +3 in this acid. The pure substance is unstable, disproportionating to (converting into) hypochlorous acid (Cl oxidation state +1) and chloric acid (Cl oxidation state +5).

So based on the above, it makes sense to me that 8x3 (MMSA) should be the number 1 product in our arsenal against disease because it contains chlorous acid which converts into hypochlorous acid and it also contains chlorine dioxide. And this is all in a mixture that I think is fairly easily absorbed through the stomach and into the blood stream where it can be transported to wherever the disease is in the body.

On the other hand, CDS is simply chlorine dioxide absorbed into water. There is no chlorous acid and therefore there is no hypochlorous acid. It also tends to easily outgas when it gets warm, as it does when it goes into our stomachs, and so then some of the chlorine dioxide gas may be lost through belching.

If we add a little MMS1 (raw sodium chlorite) to the CDS to make what they call CDS+, that small amount will just be slowly converted into chlorine dioxide as CDS is still fairly acidic in nature and the large quantities that people make for themselves is normally used up slowly over time. As we know, raw sodium chlorite put into water, will gradually turn into chlorine dioxide and purify the water. So I think the addition of the small amount of sodium chlorite to the CDS is not really going to help it that much.

I purchased Kerri’s book a couple of days ago and from what I understand in reading it, she still feels that the 8x3 (or MMSA) method is the way to go; it’s what she used to bring 93 autistic children to health, however she is still willing to give the CDS+ a try, just in case it might prove to work better. Based on the reasoning of what I wrote above though, I really do doubt that it will work better than the 8x3 (MMSA) method of making activated MMS to heal disease.

One last thing that I would like to say, and again this is based upon what is written above, you mentioned Steve that, “If we convert all the gas available from MMS1, you may as well just use CDS, as the liquid left behind will have no "active ingredient left””. I don’t think that is true. I think that the “liquid left behind” is a complex mixture of all of those ingredients which contains chlorine dioxide, chlorous acid and probably even hypochlorous acid too, all of which help us to fight whatever diseases we may be dealing with. 8x3 MMS (or MMSA) isn’t just about chlorine dioxide.

Thank you for your input Steve. Because of what you wrote, it caused me to dig deeper and try to understand MMS better. I always appreciate what you have to say and enjoy and learn from your posts on the forum.

May we all be well,

Scott

Thanks for letting us know Steve. I totally understand! It took me at least 3 hours to contemplate, research and then write what I wrote as a response to what you wrote the other day. Then I had to contemplate what I wrote! Hahaha I could only do that because it was a Sunday. Take your time. This is a very important subject.

All the best,
Scott

Truthquester wrote:

Hi JB,

PS. Below is a visual test that I did to show how the sodium chlorite continues to activate over time.

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So are we saying that it might be better for us to add water to MMS, cover the top so the gas doesn't escape and just wait a while before drinking?

And that one side benefit would mean there is less irritation to the body - and also less chance of diarrhoea?

If so that would be good news.

Hi Archer,

It MAY be better to do it this way. Speaking for myself, there is no longer any stomach upset, even going up to what is the the equivalent of 9 drops per hour the old way (1:1 mms/50%ca activated for 20 seconds). I also have had good experience with it fighting disease - it took care of a cold a couple of times and one time I think I was experiencing a kidney infection which it stopped after about a day I believe. I'm also currently taking what is the equivalent of 9 drops per hour, once a day - in the morning (as mentioned previously) and this seems to be increasing my energy.

However, there may be some good reason why we don't want to fully activate the mms outside of the body, and why some of it should be left to activate inside our stomachs. So far though, nobody has given us the reason why but I'm hopeful that someone will let us know soon.

In the meantime, if you would like to try the New 7 Day Fridge method out, how to make it is right here on the forum at:

g2cforum.org/index.php/list/mms-discussion-and-information/26232-new-7-day-fridge-mms-25-citric-acid

Actually we need as many people trying this method out as possible so that we can really know whether or not it works for various diseases.

May you be well,

Scott

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your response. Sorry for taking so long to get back here but I've been real busy with some other stuff.

I'd like to get back to my original question which is why do we only activate for 20 seconds and not longer. I'm sure one of the Bishops must have the answer to this question so maybe one of you - Steve, Pam, Michael... could ask them for me (us)

I think it's a good question since:

-On one hand we have CDS which is free of raw MMS and which most people can tolerate very well and therefore can take higher and higher dosages of.

-And then, on the other hand we have 8x3 protocol 1000 which is not free of raw MMS (see the chart below) and which many people cannot tolerate well and therefore have a very difficult time taking higher doses of or just can't increase altogether because it makes them too sick (and some of course, just quit).

-But at the same time, some of these people have life threatening diseases which may require an increase to win the battle of their disease.

-So, logically thinking (without having additional information from our Bishop advisers), because CDS is an "approved" church product and it doesn't have any raw or unactivated MMS in it, but is only CLO2 dissolved in water, it would seem reasonable that we could allow the activation to go on longer and use up more or even all of the raw or unactivated MMS when doing the 8x3/Protocol 1000, so the users would have less stomach upset.

-In other words, it would make 8x3/Protocol 1000 more similar to CDS in that it could have less or NO unactivated mms in it if it were allowed to activate longer. Which in turn would also lessen or stop the nausea problem which would allow people to take more of it and therefore they could more quickly/easily overcome there diseases.

-However, maybe there is some good explanation for why we actually want there to be some raw unactivated MMS in what we drink even though it can cause nausea and reduce the amount we can take.

-For example, for malaria: 18 drops activated with lemon juice for 3 minutes (I think) and then consumed. We know (according to the chart below) that there is probably more than 50% of unactivated MMS in what the malaria victims drank, and it made them very sick to the stomach, but it cured them of malaria in 24 hours! Having unactivated MMS in the case of our malaria cure obviously works and so the nausea that goes along with it is acceptable and maybe even necessary. So, for malaria anyway, there seems to be some reason for so much unactivated MMS going into the system. Don't know what it is, but there must be some reason.

-The question is though, is it also necessary for the other diseases that 8x3/Protocol 1000 is used for, and if so, why?

-Also, if it is necessary to have unactivated MMS in the 8x3/Protocol 1000 for some reason, then why would we use CDS which doesn't have any at all and is used on the same diseases (for the most case)?

Maybe nobody has the answer to these questions yet and they are just mysteries that we'll have to accept for awhile. If that's the case, I'd like to know that too.

Anyway, got to go now. I appreciate everyone's time.

May everyone on this forum be happy and healthy
Scott

WOW!!! I'm so glad to see you guys hashing this stuff out. I have always wondered about it but its a bit above my head when I try to follow it. At the centers in Colombia and Bulgaria we have used all types discussed and they all work differently depending on what we are treating. Keep writing, I'm loving the read even though it's a little over my head

Hi Michelle,

Is the reason they came up with CDS gold (or +) to make regular CDS more like MMSA which isn't fully activated (because of the short activation time of just 20 seconds) and therefore still has a lot of MMSU in it?

Thanks,
Scott

is the activation affected by the temperature of the MMS?

Truthquester - ll CDS, unless it's made incorrectly, has no citric acid in it, so it can't be "more like MMSA"