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Hi everyone,
if I may add my two cents to this subject. I have been on the baby bottle protocol and have not experienced any nausea. However last weekend I did experience a herx reaction (body and joints aching). I was at only 6drops per day in 8oz baby bottle. I have to add, that I am also drinking 40ml living sea water first thing in the morning and DE morning and evening. Having had a Herx reaction, as for my understanding, means this is working for me and again by only using 6 drops MMS for the whole day. (now I am at 8 drops) This method is very gentle. It gives you more control over the dosing and how much is the right amount at the moment for you, without getting nausea or diarrhea.

Also as for what I have learned, I suspect the diarrhea may be caused more from the citric acid than MMS or at least it has it's part to it. But this all depends on an individual. From my experience in being in the holistic healthcare field for over 25years, what may be to much Vitamin C for the one person and causing him to have diarrhea (that is what happens when taking to much Vit. C) has no effect on the other person, who can handle higher amounts of Vit. C. I have had one client that took such a high amount (I forget how much it was), but because she was suffering from severe constipation it did not even loosen her stool. I can just remember how in shock I was that this would not move her bowls.

All in all, and this is only my opinion, it's all in the dosing for an individual person which can vary greatly from person to person. Using the baby bottle approach is the easiest way to build up to the 3drops (or higher) per 8 - 10 times per day. Especially when introducing MMS to someone new (and what condition they are dealing with)

Oh yes, I also have to agree with Scott about the symptoms of a Herx reaction. Until introduced to MMS I only knew about achy body, achy joints, maybe headache being the symptoms of Herx, but only since knowing about MMS have I heard about nausea and diarrhea being symptoms of Herx reaction too. Now I can see to get toxins flushed having the diarrhea no longer than 2 hours may be ok, but not desirable for sure. However I feel these two symptoms may very well be purely due to the MMS and Citric Acid not truely Herx symptoms per se. However, even after being in the alternative health care realm for over 25 years I still learn more and more.

WOW maybe this was more than anyone wants to read,
but the subject is important and I believe we do need to figure this out.

Best wished for you all,

sevenrays

What does the living sea water and DE do for you? How does it help with using MMS/CDS/DMSO?

That is part of the parasite protocol.

Thank you Scott for the excellent reporting and careful thinking on these subjects as we all seek to find ways to improve things!

I would like to point out on this thread, my friend David Kiango in Tanzania has treated malaria many times just like Jim has. Remember Jim started with MMS on malaria and a large part of his experience deals with that.

Anyway, David told the story of how he took one friend with malaria to get a blood test in the morning, which showed positive of course. Then David gave him the two 15 drop doses 1 hour apart as recommended. He said his friend ended up getting nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, the shakes and felt real bad for a few hours and then it was over.

Then 4 hours after the blood test they went and had another blood test and it showed NEGATIVE for malaria. The friend was cured of malaria, but you can see he suffered quite a bit in the way of die off. The 15 drop doses are necessary for a cure, Jim has worked that out based on a tremendous amount of experience.

From what they've told us so far, CDS did not work on malaria the same way. Jim has since said that with enough CDS, malaria can be cured. So it appears the excess acid and raw MMS are necessary for the 15 drop MMS1 dose cure to work in the short span of a few hours in the case of malaria. It would seem the symptoms experienced are probably intertwined reactions from the die off, acid and raw MMS, or at least there is no easy way to separate them, but all of it seems necessary for a 4 hour malaria cure.

Michael

Hey Michael,

Thanks for that bit of info...

As I was reading your post, a thought came to mind..... I was wondering, as you say, IF the CDS wasn't as effective as the MMS .... what IF a person was able to by-pass the stomach, and get the CDS into the vein (by an IV Push or IV bag) ?

I know most people won't have access to the IV equipment, etc... but it came to mind that maybe the MMS, having still some raw citric acid + Sodium Chlorite in it ... maybe that's why it stays strong enough to get it to the areas needed ?

Just a thought




Clint

Hi Michael,

Thanks for that info about Jim and David's experience in curing malaria. We also know that Jim originally cured malaria with unactivated sodium chlorite, which would have been then somewhat activated by the acid in the stomach, so there does seem to be something good about getting mms into the system with an activator, one way or another. It's just my feeling or guess, but it seems that the CDS, for some reason, isn't as easily absorbed through the stomach lining and then into the blood stream. Whereas, again for some reason, activated mms is. One question that I have now is, is it really necessary to get unactivated mms into the stomach, or would a fully activated mms solution (which is what I'm thinking the 7 Day Fridge MMS is) have the same effect of curing malaria or other diseases??? Because maybe its not the unactivated mms that's the key ingredient, maybe it's the combination of all of the ingredients that enable it to get through the stomach lining and into the blood. If that were the case, then the 7 Day Fridge MMS might be able to cure the disease with less stomach problems for the person. But who knows?

It sure would be nice to get somebody on the forum who has experience with things like what can and cannot be absorbed by the stomach lining. Also, what could be taken at the same time with the dose that would promote absorption. I know some molecules are just too big to be absorbed while others go right in. That's about as far as my knowledge goes though and so for me it's just trial and error and adjustment and trial and error and adjustment, etc., etc. ...

Sometimes I kinda want to catch something so I can experiment on myself Hahaha

Well thanks again Michael for your input.

May you be well,
Scott

hello truthquester,

I will defenitely experiment with all that and let you know. It may help a man who absolutely cannot take MMS1, always gets badly nauseated. Is on CDS but not improving. His condition is body-inclusive myositis, an autoimmune disorder. I have written about him a while ago. He is great to work with as he doesn't give up easily. But I'd love to see him make some progress. Will keep you posted on my findings.

thank you for being inquisitive,

best regards,

marianne

MERKLOVA, I am taking 5ml (not 25 drops) of CDS every hour. The strength is 5,000ppm. If 1ml of 3,000ppm CDS = 3 drops of MMS, then 1ml of 5,000ppm CDS should = 5 drops. 5ml * 5 MMS drops in each = 25 drops MMS.

Is that calculation reasonable?? Based on the fact that 1ml of 3,000 CDS is 3 drops MMS.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I decided to try taking MMS straight today. I started with 5 drops my 2nd dose and 4th dose. Felt a like nausea, ate an apple and continued CDS for the rest of the day then took 2 more 5 drop MMS doses this evening. Ending with the MMS dose and body spray of 20MMS/20CA and 2 tablespoons DMSO. Its been almost 40 mins and still no nausea.

God thread Scott and thanks for sharing your detailed experience and questions. Makes for good material we all learn from.

I concur with Michael on the Herx and diarrhea effect of MMS1 in all patients that start taking ClO2 in whatever form. The die off effect is very noticeable through the gut reaction to the potential "poisons" the body starts eliminating. Most forget that we all have spent a lifetime accumulating pathogens in the form of bacteria, viruses, fungi and or parasites of some sort through the food chain. Fungi being the most prevalent in my opinion.

All my treatment support cases report severe herx when starting with MMS1. Most of these are HIV cases with CD4 counts below 100 and viral loads of >1 Million. One case where I had a young lady with TB Meningitis and being HIV+ (diagnosed through blood work) had a herx with 1 drop MMS1 taking it 3 times a day - every time she took her dose. This continued for 10 days after which it abated and the dosage could be raised. After six weeks of treatment she was Meningitis free and three months later tested HIV neg (which the doctors refused to believe!)

So the combination of unreacted compounds in MMS1 as well as the die off load getting back to the stomach is the major cause for herx imo.

I will be following your 7day Fridge results with interest. Personally my shot glass method CDS is what suites my maintenance application and I have managed after 6 months to completely rid myself of all my arthritic issues I inherited from taking copious antiBios to treat TB. My personal belief is that inflammation of joints is caused by viruses as read in a Swedish study that was suppressed rather quickly.