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Hello everyone,

Before saying anything else, I want everyone to know that I am absolutely sold on mms1 and grateful for everything Jim Humble has done for us. I say this because what I'm going to say below kinda goes against the grain a bit, but I want everyone to know upfront, I'm not trying to bash anything about the MMS movement - I'm just trying to understand mms better to hopefully make it better for myself, my family, and for all of us. So, everything that I say below is to that end and nothing else. And the reason why I'm putting it here under the "MMS Discussion and Information" topic is just for that reason - I want to have an open discussion about this very important topic.

I have been looking at this subject for awhile now, and so it seems, has pretty much everyone else who has taken both mms1 and CDS. Those who have taken both have mostly had the similar experience that mms1 often causes nausea, while CDS doesn't. Even when the amount of clo2 in the dosages are supposed to be basically the same. (Please chime in if this is not the case for you, the reader - and you HAVE gotten sick on CDS, because that's important information that we all need to know.)

So, this brings up a very important question that should be addressed - what is causing the nausea when mms1 is ingested and why doesn't CDS cause the same nausea to occur?

Before CDS came along, we didn't really have anything to compare mms1 to. But now that we have CDS we do, and one of the big things that we see is that CDS, for the most part, does not cause nausea, or what we assumed was simply a herxheimer reaction. Now why would that be true if, in a given dose, they both contain the same amount of clo2? They should both be killing the pathogens at about the same rate and therefore the die-off and thereby dumping of toxins into the body, which is what the herx reaction has been attributed to, should be basically the same. Being the same, the nausea should be about the same with both - but it's not. MMS1 has a much higher track record of causing nausea and this is why many people prefer to use CDS instead of mms1.

Another important thing to consider is that, if you look up what the symptoms of a herx reaction are, you'll find that a couple of the main symptoms are flu-like achy joints and muscles, which corresponds well with what a herxheimer reaction is; an inflammation in the body which is caused by the release of toxins from pathogen die-off which occurs too fast for the body to be able eliminate in a timely manner. So achy joints and muscles are a reasonable response to this dumping into our system of toxins that can't be eliminated fast enough.

Now I can't speak for anyone else, but my wife and I, when we got sick to our stomachs after taking mms1, we didn't feel achy joints and muscles. We just felt like throwing up. Especially when we were taking it the old way, where we tried to gradually increase to taking 15 drops at one time. For me, I couldn't make it past 7 drops before I puked my guts out. That was as high as I could ever go and actually being so sick caused me to stop taking the mms1 altogether because it really felt as though I was poisoning myself and that was my body's way of getting rid of the poison. But I never felt the achy joints or muscles. Just very sick to my stomach and the same was true for my wife.

Lately though, with a new way of making and taking mms1 which I call, "7 Day Fridge MMS" and which is on this forum at:
genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=31&id=20140&Itemid=66
I have taken up to 8 drops per hour over about a 12 hour period of time, and with absolutely now stomach upset at all.

My theory for why I can take so much mms with this 7 Day Fridge MMS, is that I believe the way it is made activates ALL of the mms, leaving no "raw" or unactivated mms behind to be ingested. I believe that it is actually this "raw" or unactivated mms that is causing most of the nausea out there and that it's not really just a herx reaction that people are having.

One of the main reasons why I believe the above, is because of peoples experiences with CDS. CDS doesn't have any "raw", unactivated mms in it either, and I believe, because of that factor alone, it doesn't cause nausea. Also, those of us who have made CDS ourselves, know how long it actually takes before the mms stops producing clo2 in the activation process. For me, even after mixing a 1 to 1 ratio of mms and 50% citric for an hour at a temperature of about 160 degrees, when I picked up the bottle and swirled the mix around in the bottle that was my reaction chamber, it still produced more clo2 bubbles, which proved that it still, even after that long a time and at such a high temperature, had "raw", unactivated mms in it. To be honest, I finally just gave up trying to get it to finish activating because the clo2 just kept on bubbling over every time I shook the bottle a little.

Because of the above reasoning, I think that when it comes to mms1, we need to find better ways to activate all of the mms and not leave any unactivated behind. I really believe the 20 second activation time isn't nearly long enough and by only activating it for that amount of time, we are inadvertently giving ourselves "raw", unactivated mms which is causing the nausea.

However, having said all that, it may actually be beneficial to ingest the "raw", unactivated mms for some reason. Maybe it helps in some way with the fighting of disease. Maybe getting a little bit of it along with the amount that is activated is a good thing. I think what we would need to do to find out though, is try both and compare. For me, so far, the 7 Day Fridge MMS seems to work great and because I can take more of it per dose (8 drops per hour so far is my max without any stomach upset), I would think it would be better at ending a disease than if I were only able to take say 3 to 4 drops per hour of mms activated for 20 seconds.

Well I've said a lot here, so please, let us know what you think of this topic and tell us about your experiences with the different ways of taking mms/CDS and any nausea that you may have had (or not had). I happen to think it's a very important topic, because I know that a lot of people will stop taking mms1 if they get sick on their first couple of tries. And if they stop, they won't get well. And that's sad, especially when it probably could have helped them if they could have stuck with it. Maybe it could have even saved their lives.

Okay, that's all for now - it's 2:50 in the morning here in Jakarta Indonesia now and I'd better be getting to bed. Goodnight everyone.

With love always,
Scott

Hi Scott,

Why not just switch to CDS all together? If it is the Cl02 that we want in our body and CDS provides it to us why bother with MMS? Am I missing something by not taking the remaining MMS and CA?

I have been taking CDS for 9 Days now in hope of curing HSV 2 and have gotten up to 5ml of 5,000ppm CDS with 30 drops of DMSO every hour for 13 hours straight. I calculate that to be aprox. 25 drops (MMS) an hour and at 13 hours thats 325 drops of MMS and 390 drops of DMSO in just 1 day alone.

I do not feel any nausea.....at all, only the smell of it gets to me for a second. The thought crosses my mind over and over again...if its not making me sick am i really getting better? However, when I applied MMS activated with DMSO on my spine and left on for 1.5 hours I experienced flu-like achy muscles, in my lower back especially. That made me think it was working. It's crazy how we need proof/pain in order to feel like it is working but it could be very possible that CDS works great with just little to no side effects.

Hey, Scott - late night is good for cogitating <G>.

My theory (FWIW) is that when we make MMS, there are inactivated products still there - some MMS1 and some citric acid. Some of us are sensitive to citric acid. I know that Andreas does only a 33% citric acid with his MMS1, and allows it to activate for a minute - he emailed me at one point (don't have it, that computer is history <sigh>) and as I recall, he was thinking that the stomach distress was caused by the unused citric acid. I don't know - it could be the CA or the unactivated MMS or both. I'm guessing the 20 second activation time was what they discovered was necessary to provide the same PPM that they used to get with the 10% CA and 3 minute activation.

You may well be onto something here - I think we're still learning things about CDS, MMS1 and the various activators. It's a growing technology. Have you sent the 7 day fridge technique to Jim H. yet? I'm sure he'd be delighted to know it. I realize that a lot of the time he's looking for ways to make it easier in the jungle, LOL. But every little bit of information is useful.

Hello all

I'll put in my little bit into the conversation. I have only ever used lemon juice as there simply is an abundance of lemons where I live. MMS1 has always made me nauseous, I still take it 2x daily 3 drops as maintenance. Still always tends to make me nauseous, so for me this is not caused by citric acid. I let it do its thing as long as I can bare it, then eating something gets rid of the nausea. Sometimes long after the food has been digested I notice slight nauseousness again.

I hope this information adds to the discussion.

Thank you all,

Marianne

Hi Liz,
Wow, 25 drops per hour and no nausea, that's amazing!. I agree that it seems like we should be able to just do the CDS. Like you said, why not just switch to it. For me though, there were a couple of times when I took CDS for what ended up being a pretty bad cold (not a flu though, with all the associated vomiting and achy muscles) and the CDS didn't seem to do a thing to it. Whereas whenever I have taken mms1 for a cold (again, not a flu), it stopped the cold within 1 to 2 days. Now I don't know why the mms1 would have worked better than the CDS on a cold like that, but it seems like there is something to that mix of mms and citric acid that might be good for fighting disease. In the following link to a study of water treated with clo2, and it's effects on people consuming it, they were also testing the effects of chlorate and chlorite, by-products of the clo2 solution that was being tested. Here is the link to that study:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/pdf/envhper00463-0059.pdf

The other thing about using mms1 is that it is just so simple and fast to make.

But Liz, I would always say whatever works for you is the best thing and I would think, with getting doses up as high as you are, and with DMSO, you should be able to rid yourself of that disease. And if, after using CDS for an reasonable period of time, you are not able to rid yourself of it, try mms1 or mms2 or both (mms3). We have a lot in our arsenal to fight whatever we come up against.

All the best to you Liz. May you be well.

Scott

Hi Marianne,

Thanks for that info. That's exactly what we need to try to pin down what exactly is causing the nausea for people in general. And for you it's not citric acid. I would recommend at least trying the 7 Day Fridge MMS mentioned above but instead of using citric acid, use your lemon juice, but warm it up first, even make it a bit hot and then add enough additional very hot water to bring it up to the 120ml mark. Then, don't even refrigerate it right away. Leave it over night and refrigerate it the next day. Basically trying to get all of the mms activated with just the lemon juice. I would even shake occasionally - maybe every time you walk by it, give it a good 10 second a shake - to try and promote the mms activation. Then give that a try. Hopefully, you won't have the nausea problem any longer with this method.

Thanks for you input - it really is very important.

Scott

Hi Pam.

How would I go about communicating with Jim Humble about this? What's the best way?

Thanks,
Scott

SCOTT, 25 drops CDS, no MMS...
25 drops CDS is 3-4 drops MMS.
LIZ, for 25 drops CDS is enough 3-4 drops DMSO...
this recommending JM l and Andreas !

Hi Merklova,

This is what Liz said:

"I have been taking CDS for 9 Days now in hope of curing HSV 2 and have gotten up to 5ml of 5,000ppm CDS with 30 drops of DMSO every hour for 13 hours straight. I calculate that to be aprox. 25 drops (MMS) an hour and at 13 hours thats 325 drops of MMS and 390 drops of DMSO in just 1 day alone."

Every 1ml of 3,000ppm CDS is equal to 3 drops mms1. She says that she is taking 5ml per hour of CDS and her CDS is 5,000ppm (not 3,000ppm) so that would be about the equivalent of 25 drops of mms1 per hour.

Thanks,
Scott