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An MMS Potpourri - by Adam Abraham
phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/an-mms-potpourri/

It is ironic how we have made distrust of personal experience the rule rather than the exception, in an attempt to give dominion to professional biases and impersonal conjecture over outcomes that really happened. This is appears to be the modus operandi of critics of MMS. It's not limited to MMS though... it applies to virtually any method that can be shown to mitigate many of the consequences of current social and medical thinking. Personal experience, a priceless guide, has been dubbed “anecdotal,” is routinely discounted or dismissed if it differs from the norm. The maverick approach is not to be believed unless a group of elite “peers” have studied the subject and given it their blessing. Furthermore, a publication… another elite one, must decide to publish the information.

Such thinking has brought us to where we are; at a crossroad.

All of these learned individuals are beholding to someone -- personal or impersonal -- who facilitates their ability to buy groceries, pay their rent, mortgages, auto loans, medical bills, put their children through school, and support their personal quirks. All are servants of the Money god, to which intelligence, honor, compassion, and humanity often takes a back seat to budget limitations, supply issues, and political expediency. Under these circumstances, objectivity is the first casualty. Truth may then be seen through a biased lens… that is, if it is ever seen at all.

This form of impersonal logic often shows itself in conversations with MMS detractors. The amazing results of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people are dismissed by apparently intelligent critics who have not exercised the courage to look into it on their own, forming a knowledge-based opinion, or respect the people who have. They hide behind initials and credentials that imply they (or their peers) know what they're talking about, even when evidence of such knowledge is nowhere to be found.

Instead of being joyful at the specter of actually finding viable answers (including MMS or others) – that may be right under our noses to a wide spectrum of ailments that have robbed so many of their health, vitality, financial security, and their lives -- we hear skepticism, consternation, personal judgment, misinformation, and disbelief. Furthermore we see disinterest in confirming the positive claims. The only interest the agencies and the critics have shown is in dissuading more use (even with misinformation), and going after sellers of the product.

Yet, the positive buzz continues.

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Andreas Kalcker

I had a wonderful conversation yesterday, via Skype, with Andreas Ludwig Kalcker. He is a German researcher who, after using MMS to mitigate a medical condition of his own, began researching it himself, has personally introduced it to various parts of Africa, and envisions producing a documentary series in which MMS is looked at in the context to a greater look at our current practices of, and attitudes toward health care.

I’m pleased to be invited to be part of this undertaking.

Andreas also took umbrage to the Gabriela Segura slam of MMS, as I did. I got a copy of it the other day, and will share here. While fluid in English, it’s not his first language, so he’s pretty direct in his writing.

My name is Andreas Ludwig Kalcker and after reading this article i had no choice than to answer....i am researching 2 years from now on ClO2 related health issues on scientific bases, and definitively this Article is equal to: "The earth is Flat syndrome......."

Enjoy:

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Many people do not know that MMS is essentially bleach. – GS

Is a wrong Statement and lack of chemical knowledge!
it is used to potabilize drinking water without cancerous trihalomethanes for more than 100 years now
scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-08142001-093734/unrestricted/thesis.pdf

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In truth, the potential long-term and dangerous side effects of regular MMS use should give anyone the shivers. – GS

What long term side effects? ClO2 disintegrates when oxidizing to oxygen and salt !!!! nothing else.

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Before we continue, an important lesson on oxidation and free radicals is needed, Oxygen is an essential element that supports life, but in the wrong place or at the wrong time, oxygen can wreak much havoc on our cells, causing cancer, contributing to cardiovascular disease, degenerative diseases, and aging through a process called oxidation.You have seen the effects of oxidation whenever you have observed an apple turn brown and go bad after being exposed to air, or when you see the flame of a candle. – GS

Wrong again !!!:
The free radicals theory is a postulate from Denham Harman in 1958 !!!

The oxidative capacity of oxygen is 1.3V and the mitocondria can handle this very good, but Ozone has an oxidative potential of 2.07V and is too strong and would do harm. Clo2 has only 0.97V and Can not harm our cells due to too low electron potential. Oxidative stress is proven to elongate lifespan! Free radicals = electric potential, the voltage counts! 12V is not the same as 220V

The free-radical theory of aging (FRTA) states that organisms age because cells accumulate free radical damage over time. A free radical is any atom or molecule that has a single unpaired electron in an outer shell. While a few free radicals such as melanin are not chemically reactive, most biologically-relevant free radicals are highly reactive. For most biological structures, free radical damage is closely associated with oxidative damage.

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Oxidation can even cause debilitating changes to your DNA. – GS

Wrong again:
The scientific proof :
Glucose Restriction Extends Caenorhabditis elogans Life Span by Inducing Mitochondrial Respiration and Increasing Oxidative Stress

Tim J. Schulz1, 2, Kim Zarse1, Anja Voigt1, 2, Nadine Urban1, Marc Birringer1 and Michael Ristow1, 2, Go To Corresponding Author,

1 Department of Human Nutrition, Institute of Nutrition, University of Jena, D-07743 Jena, Germany
2 German Institute of Human Nutrition Potsdam-Rehbrücke, D-14558 Nuthetal, Germany

· Summary

· Increasing cellular glucose uptake is a fundamental concept in treatment of type 2 diabetes, whereas nutritive calorie restriction increases life expectancy. We show here that increased glucose availability decreases Caenorhabditis elegans life span, while impaired glucose metabolism extends life expectancy by inducing mitochondrial respiration. The histone deacetylase Sir2.1 is found here to be dispensable for this phenotype, whereas disruption of aak-2, a homolog of AMP-dependent kinase (AMPK), abolishes extension of life span due to impaired glycolysis. Reduced glucose availability promotes formation of reactive oxygen species (ROS), induces catalase activity, and increases oxidative stress resistance and survival rates, altogether providing direct evidence for a hitherto hypothetical concept named mitochondrial hormesis or “mitohormesis.” Accordingly, treatment of nematodes with different antioxidants and vitamins prevents extension of life span. In summary, these data indicate that glucose restriction promotes mitochondrial metabolism, causing increased ROS formation and cumulating in hormetic extension of life span, questioning current treatments of type 2 diabetes as well as the widespread use of antioxidant supplements.

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By now, you should understand why anti-oxidants are so important,...This is the reason why we are fond of so many antioxidants such as vitamin C, E, carotenoids, resveratrol, taurine, coenzyme Q10, and melatonin, to name but a few. – GS

Wrong again:
The scientific proof:
Almost 70 clinical trials with more than 230,000 participants have shattered the supposed benefits of antioxidant supplements. A review published in the journal 'The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)' reveals that not only beneficial, but that beta-carotene and vitamins A and E slightly increase the risk of mortality.

"Our findings contradict the claim that antioxidants improve health. Given that between 10% and 20% of the adult population in North America and Europe consume the products evaluated, the public health consequences may be substantial ", say the authors, from the Hospital of Copenhagen (Denmark).
more links ( spanish):
www.doctorperu.com/articulo-510-consumir-suplementos-antioxidantes-resulta-nocivo-para-la-salud.php
www.madrimasd.org/informacionidi/noticias/noticia.asp?id=29546

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The toxic effects of chlorine dioxide are associated with those of sodium chlorite - a very strong oxidant that at a dose of is considered to be lethal. – GS

10-15 grams of a lightweight gas is really a lot!!!! 70 grams of table salt are deadly too !!!
the scientific DATA:
Controlled clinical evaluations of chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate in man.

Lubbers JR, Chauan S, Bianchine JR.

To assess the relative safety of chronically administered chlorine water disinfectants in man, a controlled study was undertaken. The clinical evaluation was conducted in the three phases common to investigational drug studies. Phase I, a rising dose tolerance investigation, examined the acute effects of progressively increasing single doses of chlorine disinfectants to normal healthy adult male volunteers. Phase II considered the impact on normal subjects of daily ingestion of the disinfectants at a concentration of 5 mg/l. for twelve consecutive weeks. Persons with a low level of glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase may be expected to be especially susceptible to oxidative stress; therefore, in Phase III, chlorite at a concentration of 5 mg/l. was administered daily for twelve consecutive weeks to a small group of potentially at-risk glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase-deficient subjects. Physiological impact was assessed by evaluation of a battery of qualitative and quantitative tests. The three phases of this controlled double-blind clinical evaluation of chlorine dioxide and its potential metabolites in human male volunteer subjects were completed uneventfully. There were no obvious undesirable clinical sequellae noted by any of the participating subjects or by the observing medical team. In several cases, statistically significant trends in certain biochemical or physiological parameters were associated with treatment; however, none of these trends was judged to have physiological consequence. One cannot rule out the possibility that, over a longer treatment period, these trends might indeed achieve proportions of clinical importance. However, by the absence of detrimental physiological responses within the limits of the study, the relative safety of oral ingestion of chlorine dioxide and its metabolites, chlorite and chlorate, was demonstrated.

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The popularity of MMS and its fervent, almost religious marketing involved the claim of curing malaria in tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. Sounds very noble indeed, but this is only natural as MMS’ sodium chlorite is well known to cause hemolysis in red blood cells - meaning that red blood cells are ruptured and destroyed. It is actually by killing red blood cells that the malarial parasite is killed since it invades red blood cells. – GS

Wrong as usual,
the scientific Data:
Chlorine dioxide and hemodialysis.

Smith RP, Willhite CC.

Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Dartmouth Medical School, Hanover, New Hampshire 03756.
Abstract

In the United States chlorination of potable water supplies has been the standard method of disinfection for about 75 years. In recent times concern has been raised about the propensity of chlorination to introduce potentially carcinogenic trihalomethanes (THM) such as chloroform into finished water.. The levels of THM introduced depend on many factors including the quality of the raw water. Numerous community water treatment facilities are experiencing difficulty in meeting current U.S. Environmental Protection Agency standards, and it is likely that the permissible levels may be lowered in the future. An alternative to chlorination which does not generate THM during disinfection is chlorine dioxide, but there are concerns about the acute and chronic toxicity of ClO2 and its disinfection by-products, chlorite and chlorate. Deleterious effects of moderately high levels of these oxychlorines have been demonstrated experimentally on red blood cells, thyroid function, and development in laboratory animals. Adverse effects in controlled prospective studies in humans and in actual use situations in community water supplies have as yet failed to reveal clear evidence of adverse health effects. Among groups who may be at special risk from this suggested alternative are patients who must undergo chronic extracorporeal hemodialysis. The special needs, precautions, and experience to date in regard to finished water are reviewed. Again, very limited human experience has failed to reveal adverse health effects. Further study, caution, and extreme vigilance are indicated, but dialysis patients in carefully controlled facilities may be at no greater risk than the general population.

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FDA advises consumers to stop using MMS immediately and throw it away. – GS

Microcyn Technology has a FDA aproved CLO2 product
http://www..oculusis.com/us/technology/
Basically the same product as MMS .......

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In short, MMS should NEVER be a health treatment, alternative or otherwise! – GS

THIS IS TRUE.....
SINCE YOU CAN NOT PATENT A MINERAL SALT ( NACLO2) OR CITRIC ACID
YOU Can MAKE NO MONEY AS A BIG-PHARMA-PRODUCT AND WORSE OF ALL....
IT CAN CAUSE " SPONTANEOUS REMISSIONS" OF MANY EVEN LIFE-THREATENING DISEASES!

( RESEARCH bY Andreas Ludwig Kalcker an affected person with spontaneous remissions on all his diseases)
Please give this article to any MMS consumer. They have the right to know what is going on within their bodies - and DNA - when they take this Trojan Horse!

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While Andreas and I were talking, we were oblivious to the event that was unfolding in Japan… although it became obvious as the day unfolded.

As I heard reporters mention how safe drinking water can quickly become a challenge, I decided to shoot this short video.
watch?v=UeqonMREYNw&w=448&h=252&hd=1
Short tips using chlorine dioxide to make potable drinking water.

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My conversation with John Barbour went well. We even talked about MMS, in the second half of the show.

You can listen by going to www.realpeopleradio.com and selecting the 03/09/11 podcast. I also had my video camera going, and have combined the audio from the podcast, so that it can somewhat experience it from my perspective.

I will provide a link here of the 45 minute piece as soon as it is available online.

More to come…

Great job posting this Bruce! How did you get the picture and the formatting (eg quotes) to post with the article? You and David are not having any problems getting pics to post but I could not figure out how to do it.

Thanks also for all your work on behalf of the forum Bruce. It is a huge job keeping all the spam out! I never knew how much you were doing. Again, much appreciated.

Thank you,

Michael

Hi Michael - Thanks, I wanted to make this excellent post as accessible as possible (I'm working on a post about the Big Lie campaign unfolding against MMS that is quite similar to what Andreas created, which post is now going through changes).

The quotation formatting is part of the editing tools at the top of any new topic or full (not "quick") reply window - the symbol looks like a little cartoon speech balloon. There's also the picture link icon there, next to the web-link icon. It requires that the pictures be up an a server somewhere on the internet and that you know the full URL to the image (I don't think the size in pixels is required for the image to work). If you see any jpg, gif, etc. on a web page, you can right click it and from the context menu select "copy link location" (at least that's what it says in Firefox, not sure about IE). Then you can paste that into the link dialog box that opens up for the composition window.

Still planning on spam prevention methods for the forum, but the plans are in flux... Thank YOU! --Bruce