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Truthquester wrote:

Each drop of MMS has about 9 mg of CLO2 locked inside it and 9 mg = 9000 ppm. 1 ml of CDS at 3000 ppm has 3 mg of CLO2 inside of it. So actually, 1 ml of CDS at 3000 ppm = 1/3 of a drop of MMS and NOT 3 drops of MMS. This is fact, not opinion.

I understand that 240ml of a 3000 ppm solution has been made by beginning with only 20ml of HCl-activated MMS (10ml unactivated MMS). Using a dilution calculator, this shows that the 20ml of activated MMS (allowed to fully react) was 36000 ppm. Whether one drop or 20ml, the maximum potential chlorine dioxide ppm of MMS ought to be the same. That is 4 times more chlorine dioxide potential in MMS than what was said.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding something?

Actually, we tested CDS when it was first being made and it tested to 3000ppm in the liter bottle, and when a dose was made of 1ml of that,the dose was tested to 24ppm for the entire dose.

You guys are backing in via mathematics, we went in via testing strips. And all MMS (as well as CDS) is taken with additional water -

**Solving the ppm CDS/MMS riddle**

Hi Don,
I'm having a hard time following your math to understand what you're saying. Would you please show us your math on what you're saying?

Here's my math based on some of the numbers you're mentioning:
10ml unactivated MMS X 24 drops per ml = 240 drops
240 drops x 9 mg per drop (the max possible clo2 per drop) = 2160 mg
2160 mg x 1000 (ppm factor) = 2,160,000 ppm (in 10 ml of MMS)
2,160,000 / 240 ml of water (dilution) = 9000 ppm in 240 ml of water
That's what is theoretically possible with fantastic extraction methods.


However if we can only get 3 mg out of every drop (which is about right):
10ml unactivated MMS X 24 drops per ml = 240 drops
240 drops x 3 mg per drop = 720 mg
720 mg x 1000 (ppm factor) = 720,000 ppm (in 10 ml of MMS)
720,000 / 240 ml of water (dilution) = 3000 ppm in 240 ml of water

Taking 1 ml of the 3000 ppm and diluting it in 118 ml (4 fl. oz. US) of water we get:
3000/118 = 25.42 ppm.

And this is just about what Pam said they measured for the entire dose (24 ppm).

I think that when they originally compared CDS to MMS, they compared it to 3 drops of MMS which was only activated for 20 seconds and then 4 oz of water was added to it. This probably is just enough time to produce that 24 ppm concentration in 4 oz of water. As it turns out though, if the activation time is left to go longer, as we do with PAMMS-1, we are able to get about 3 times more clo2 out of every drop.

When activating for 20 seconds though, even though only about 1 mg per drop is extracted in the cup, the other 2 mg per drop might be generated in the stomach if there is adequate hcl there. If that's the case you'd have 3 drops x 3 mg = 9 mg x 1000 = 9000 ppm

However, with CDS 3000 ppm - 3 mg is all you will ever have since there is no sodium chlorite in it to activate in the stomach. So this is why 1 ml of CDS 3000 ppm is really equal to about 1 drop of partially activated (about 1/3 activated) MMS and not 3 drops of partially activated (about 1/3 activated) MMS.

I hope that wasn't too confusing.

All the best,
Scott

I was using this dilution calculator: www.physiologyweb.com/calculators/dilution_calculator_ppb_ppm_ppt_pph.html

The 240ml solution that was made tested as 3000 ppm and was made with 10ml MMS and 10ml HCl 4%. I plugged in 3000 ppm, 20ml ingredients and 240ml final volume in the above calculator and came up with an answer of 36000 ppm for the concentration of the 20ml volume of activated MMS drops.

Of course ppm does not change with volume (1 oz or 12 oz of standard CDS are both 3000 ppm). You had said 9 mg per drop. Since each activated MMS drop contains 2 drops of liquid (MMS & HCl) there could only be 12 drops MMS and 12 drops HCl in 1 ml volume of activated drops (12 x 9mg = 108mg). 108mg in 1ml equals 108000mg in 1000ml, which is 108000 ppm. If you dilute 20ml of 108000 ppm solution to 240ml it would be 9000 ppm.

So I am saying that 3mg per drop actually equals 36000 ppm (undiluted activated MMS drops) not 9000 ppm.

I saw a graph here somewhere that showed that 3 drops MMS, activated with 4% HCl for 60 seconds tested to 22 ppm when diluted to 120ml. 3 activated drops would be only .25ml total volume, meaning those activated MMS drops were only 10560 ppm. 1ml CDS diluted to 120ml would test 25 ppm, which explains the idea of 1ml CDS being equal to 3 drops MMS (ignoring further activation in the body).

Hi Don,
I clicked on the link you provided and entered the following:

Stock Concentration: 3000 ppm
Volume from Stock: 20 ml
Final Concentration: (I left blank) (but it's set to ppm)
Final Solution Volume: 240 ml

I don't see an "ingredients" field.

When I click "Calculate" it gives me: 250.00000 as the "final concentration".
How are you getting 36000?

Thanks,
Scott

That seems strange. There are many other similar calculators online, but I like this one because you can leave any one of the fields blank and it will calculate the missing info. I entered the numbers you listed just now and got 36000 ppm. After clicking calculate it lists the following text:

"The concentration of the stock solution must be 36000.00000 ppm (mg/kg) such that 20 mL of the stock solution diluted with diluent to a final volume of exactly 240 mL will yield a final diluted conentration of 3000 ppm (mg/kg).

Note that the final volume refers to the total solution volume, which is the combined volume of the stock solution and the volume of diluent used for dilution."

Try leaving one of the other fields blank. I will try to attach a screen shot of it. I don't know if there is an easy way to attach an image in the forum?


EDIT:
Oh I see what you did now. Stock concentration is what you are trying to dilute. For example, I bought 31.45% muriatic acid to make CDS. To get 4% I enter Stock concentration 31.45 pph; Final concentration 4 pph; and Final solution volume 120 ml. It calculates I need to use 15.26232ml of the stronger acid to make 120ml of 4%.

I think I understand now Don.

What I'm saying is that with PAMMS-1, we are getting about 3 mg of clo2 per drop and so:
3 mg x 3 drops = 9 mg
to see the ppm we just multiple mg by 1000 so:
9 mg x 1000 = 9,000 ppm for 3 drops of MMS (before adding any water to dilute)

1 ml of MMS contains 24 drops:
3 mg x 24 drops = 72 mg
72 mg x 1000 = 72,000 ppm for 24 drops of MMS (before adding any water to dilute)

You have a number of 36,000 ppm because you're saying each ml of MMS contains 12 drops of MMS and 12 drops of hcl so 1/2 of 72,000 is 36,000.

I was just talking about what was in each drop of MMS alone (not including the hcl)

I think I understand what you're saying now, right?

Take care,
Scott

Simply, 9mg of ClO₂ dissolved in 1ml of water would be 9000 ppm. But 9mg dissolved in only one drop of water would be a much stronger concentration, due to the smaller volume in one drop.

That is where I misunderstood what you meant, as I had calculated that the actual concentration of 60-seconds-activated, undiluted drops of MMS is 10560 ppm.

PAMMS-1 strength is the same as getting 36000 ppm from the undiluted ingredients, so 9000 ppm sounded weaker.

Whew! I'm glad we finally figured that out

Thanks Don.

Scott