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moringa 09 Nov 2012 17:51 #26199

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John D, Bishop Mark Grenon and I work along side of each other here at the restoration centre in Bulgaria, we have done tests with Moringa whilst ingesting MMS/CDS and the moringa completely deactivates the protocols within 5 minutes but then again our Moringa is 100% shade dehydrated to conserve the Chlorophyll, FOR you FYI John D, Moringa does contain 46 antioxidents. If your Moringa is substandard quality the situation may well be different. Bishop Mark Genon has been using it in colombia for the past yaer with great success but not untill at least 2 hours following the last dose of the day!

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moringa 09 Nov 2012 19:31 #26202

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Hello,

I understand what you are saying 100%. My point is only that when people are working with a SHOT Immune System, they can take MMS all day long with 0% positive effects. We need the Immune System to be working. Loosing some doses in the hope of Improving the Immune System is some cases is very beneficial. For those who heal and heal normally and in good time I totally agree to wait the 2 hours. Meanwhile sacrificing a dose or two a day to up the Immune System can be very beneficial however like I said only those with a SHOT immune system would be beneficial.

Rest Assured Our Moringa is not "substandard" - quite the opposite in fact..I think you missed my whole point. I will try to talk more plain in the future for you to understand my point.

I'm glad to hear you and mark are working hard over there. it is good to have hard workers for the people who need them.

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moringa 09 Nov 2012 19:46 #26204

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Would just like to give some knowledge here which can be found from simple googling from many technical, medical, and research sites:

Vitamin C is basically only in the bloodstream for 30min as it shows here as well as so many other places in clinical human trials across the web:Absorption, transport, and disposal

Ascorbic acid is absorbed in the body by both active transport and simple diffusion. Sodium-Dependent Active Transport—Sodium-Ascorbate Co-Transporters (SVCTs) and Hexose transporters (GLUTs)—are the two transporters required for absorption. SVCT1 and SVCT2 import the reduced form of ascorbate across plasma membrane.[31] GLUT1 and GLUT3 are the two glucose transporters, and transfer only dehydroascorbic acid form of Vitamin C.[32] Although dehydroascorbic acid is absorbed in higher rate than ascorbate, the amount of dehydroascorbic acid found in plasma and tissues under normal conditions is low, as cells rapidly reduce dehydroascorbic acid to ascorbate.[33][34] Thus, SVCTs appear to be the predominant system for vitamin C transport in the body.

SVCT2 is involved in vitamin C transport in almost every tissue,[31] the notable exception being red blood cells, which lose SVCT proteins during maturation.[35] "SVCT2 knockout" animals genetically engineered to lack this functional gene, die shortly after birth,[36] suggesting that SVCT2-mediated vitamin C transport is necessary for life.

With regular intake the absorption rate varies between 70 to 95%. However, the degree of absorption decreases as intake increases. At high intake (1.25g), fractional human absorption of ascorbic acid may be as low as 33%; at low intake (<200 mg) the absorption rate can reach up to 98%.[37] Ascorbate concentrations over renal re-absorption threshold pass freely into the urine and are excreted. At high dietary doses (corresponding to several hundred mg/day in humans) ascorbate is accumulated in the body until the plasma levels reach the renal resorption threshold, which is about 1.5 mg/dL in men and 1.3 mg/dL in women. Concentrations in the plasma larger than this value (thought to represent body saturation) are rapidly excreted in the urine with a half-life of about 30 minutes. Concentrations less than this threshold amount are actively retained by the kidneys, and the excretion half-life for the remainder of the vitamin C store in the body thus increases greatly, with the half-life lengthening as the body stores are depleted. This half-life rises until it is as long as 83 days by the onset of the first symptoms of scurvy.[38]

Although the body's maximal store of vitamin C is largely determined by the renal threshold for blood, there are many tissues that maintain vitamin C concentrations far higher than in blood. Biological tissues that accumulate over 100 times the level in blood plasma of vitamin C are the adrenal glands, pituitary, thymus, corpus luteum, and retina.[39] Those with 10 to 50 times the concentration present in blood plasma include the brain, spleen, lung, testicle, lymph nodes, liver, thyroid, small intestinal mucosa, leukocytes, pancreas, kidney and salivary glands.

Ascorbic acid can be oxidized (broken down) in the human body by the enzyme L-ascorbate oxidase. Ascorbate that is not directly excreted in the urine as a result of body saturation or destroyed in other body metabolism is oxidized by this enzyme and removed.


Also Antioxidants can stay in the blood stream for up to 48hrs. However the potential to harm the MMS only lowers by a minor degree.

Point in fact: Vitamin C inactivates the MMS so stay away for it least 30 min, however antioxidants can only lower the power of MMS however especially on an empty stomach MMS digests in roughly 15minutes in the bloodstream and attacks generally up to the max of 1.5 hrs. However most of it's usefulness is used up within 45minutes. Hence my point you could say some food has a certain # of Anti-Oxidants in it however like Jim Humble has stated Don't worry about Anti-Oxidants in food only Vitamin C, however I agree with lowering the amount or purity of the Antioxidant foods while taking MMS doses. However taking so many doses per day lowering 1or 2 doses a day for the sole purpose of Accelerating your Immune System should be credited as crucial especially to the sick.

Immune system has to come first, without it we cant get better no matter what we take.

John D.

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moringa 09 Nov 2012 19:57 #26205

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Hi John,
Although English is my 4th language, I am somewhat proficient , I do not lack understand of your comprehension. No matter what the reason, immune system breakdown etc it would be far more advantageous to start protocols earlier in the morning in-order to take the Moringa earlier in the day, ie start at 6am finish at 2pm and take the Moringa at 4pm, I recommend up-to 6 per day, so 2 at 4pm, 2 at 6pm 2 at 8pm. What would be the benefit of taking a dose of protocol just to cancel it out! There is no point. I am so pleased that you have had the opportunity to clarify the quality of your Moringa.

lets restore healthtogether with combined knowledge, we are never to old to learn x

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moringa 09 Nov 2012 20:08 #26206

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Hello,

I totally agree with you 100%. I hate Antioxidants lol, I have preached about them on here many times and how people should stay away from them completely lol. It has been a hard battle however there are some who have been on protocols trying really hard and the results are slow in coming- I can only assume if they are doing everything correctly that there immune system is either shot or running low. So sometimes for some during some situations I'm sure that helping the Immune System here and there while on a protocol can be more beneficial than just going full strong on a protocol were there body's cant catch up. For some 1 dose of Moringa is not enough and I agree with you that for some taking Moringa a few times per day can be beneficial even on a protocol.

Your doing great helping everybody so I see on this forum.

Take Care AmandaMary,

Ttyl

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moringa 09 Nov 2012 20:12 #26207

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for anyone needing or wishing to increase immune system may think about healing at cellular level by introducing the following to their daily diet: Raw or soft poached farm eggs up-to 6 daily, drink raw milk from the cow but chill first, cow liver, sea salt, red meat, beef is best, raw honey comb, sheep yogurt, raw cheese etc this will help build your immune system at cellular level.


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Would there be a problem with the vitamin K content in Moringa if you are taking wharfin. How much would it be in concentrated form of moringa powder capsules.

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moringa 09 Nov 2012 21:07 #26212

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john,
ive been sending you numerous emails, but no response... could you please reply back. im on day 45 of your protocol, and have some questions

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moringa 09 Nov 2012 21:13 #26213

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Hello,

I have remember answering many emails from you, however I've been out and just got back so I'll be looking into the email are shortly. Only so much time in a day, and I try to answer many emails constantly.

Take Care,

John D.

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