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This good news - but I would caution folks out there to be careful. Before you go flying off to your local chemist supplier and buy HCL - let get the story straight and get the recommended recipes set by official declaration from our principals.

I would rather get a clear recommendation from Jim/Kerry and Andreas before voting on the merits of using just any adjustment to the protocol raw materials that every lay person out there have purchased from the recommended suppliers.

(And is that 4% or 5% Michael ? - as I take that as a "for now")

Be safe out there folks!

Andreas and Kerri are saying 4% now, although 5% can be used, or it can be diluted down to 4% easily. www.michaelharrah.us/michael-harrah/info-sheets-michael-harrah/170-converting-5-hcl-to-4-hcl

Kerri has switched her autism protocol entirely to HCl as the recommended activator. That is in all her documents now. mmsautism.org/index.php/Protocol-Files/mms-protocol-autism-baby-bottle.html

There were a few moms who had trouble switching to HCl and in that case Kerri said to stick with the citric acid which was working better for their children. Many other moms experienced some benefits from switching activators.

Hi. Did you see the reply of the person saying it might be best to alternate between the two, since the citric acid facilates mms being absorbed.

Its on the same subject, page as your post.

Any thoughts? I have to decide whether to order citric acid or hcl.
Thank you,
Lila

Which activator works best is an individual matter. For some people, citric acid seems to work better, for others HCl does. You just have to try and see what works for you.

Hi All.

Sorry for a late reply. I have been quite busy :

1) Activation with HCl
1a) The higher the HCl concentration, the faster the reaction.for what we term VMS, activation of ClO2 with HCl instead of citric acid, we use 3.5% HCl chemical concenration. That is standard technical HCl from a hardware store thinned down 9 parts water : 1 part 35% HCl as purchased. The purchased HCl better be clear, not greenish. Green is mostly iron and it will contain too many of other impurities.The thinned down HCl is then mixed
1:1 with the chloritan NaClO2 and used in the same dosages as classic MMS.

1b) For making CDS, HCl can also be used without a problem, but the reaction again depends on the concentrations and also on the temperature. The mentioned 10% HCl works quite fine an similar to activation with citric acid. It makes sense to overdo it with HCl, because the price is right and one gets all that can be gotten out of the hypochlorite.

1c) There is a fairly cheap product on the market called betain HCl in pills. It releases HCl when in contact with water and serves as an HCl supplement. When swallowed with some water and then chased down with inactivated water solution of sodium hypochlorite. Mre or less same amount of water to NaClO2 as if drinking activated MMS.
The reaction takes place in the stomach and this method seems to have a few advantages.
1ca) much better acceptance from the point of taste and smell. This is also a psychological element. There is substantially smaller rejection by the patient due to the smell and taste.
1cb) it appears to also have the best clinical results. We assume, that the slowed down reaction and ClO2 release is a less of a burden on the stomach, it does not get hit like with the classical MMS, or VMS and has better chance to absorb into the blood stream through the stomach wall. I am sure that Andreas is in contact with Palo, who has brought Andreas on to he HCl in the first place, as I have tried through here.

2)When it comes to alternating between MMS and VMS (citric and HCl activation, clinical results appear to support this route. Sodium Citrate is known to facilitate mineral transport across cellular membranes. When there is too much, it is actually quite a dangerous proposition, but with the amounts used for activation of MMS it does not appear to do much harm, if any. The facilitation of the mineral transport, which is a given, tested fact known most of all in use of citrate in dialysis, appears to help with distribution of ClO2 through out the body, none the less, HCl does similar service to us and without any risk. This area is rather vague and there is no sensible research available on the net to nail it quite down.

With kind regards, Slavek.

Good info Slavek - thank you

Is there still zero data available from Jim on this?

I have been waiting for official comments or announcements - but I am not sure if I missed this?

CA is still my normal activation route therefor...

CA has a long history - I think HCl is still pretty new and still begin tested - when it's ready to be "officially" announced, I think we'll see a newsletter on it. Otherwise, the "announcement" was Andreas and Kerri at one (or both <G>) of the Bulgarian meetings earlier this year.

Ta for the news Pam

You might check mmsinfo.org to see if they have the videos from the bulgarian meetings.