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Antje Oswald's dosing for animals 07 Feb 2024 20:43 #81356

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Antje Oswald's 2015 book "The MMS Handbook" has a different dosing protocol for animals (see attached 2 files).  It is a lot more doable as for amount of liquid to syringe into a small animal's mouth on an hourly basis.  It uses 3.5% Sodium Chlorite and 10% citric acid.  There is some information about HCL is best to use, is that really important?  Could HCl be used instead of the citric acid?  What would the equivalent percent of HCl be for 10% citric acid?  Has anyone here used Antje's animal protocol? 
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Antje Oswald's dosing for animals 08 Feb 2024 20:02 #81370

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I've never seen or heard of that book.
So I will get a copy, just to know.
Based on your image snapshots, I would have to study it to make a decision
about what she suggests is good or not.
Unless her book has been updated, 2015 is starting to show its age.

Citric Acid as an activator is "old style". (imo)

HCl 4%/5% makes a "cleaner" MMS1, that tastes better and is
easier on your stomach, which I think is particularly important for dogs and cats.

CDS is also a good option for tasting better, less smell, and easier on your stomach
than MMS1, which can also be good for non-human animals.
 
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You will find info there regarding Jim Humble's "MMS Health Recovery Guidebook".
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Antje Oswald's dosing for animals 09 Feb 2024 01:05 #81375

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Wow, 2015 is old?  I kind of think anything after 2000 is pretty good.  And is a lot of cases, older can be much better too!  People seem to be less intelligent these days.   

Since Jim Humble talks about MMS being superior to CDS, I have been focusing on MMS.  This subject, although looks simple at first, I have spent hours and hours trying to understand it.  I am feeling overwhelmed as it is so I will leave CDS for later.  Antje's protocol, as I said, results in a lot less liquid to syringe into my cat's mouth.  Jim Humble's animal protocol is way too much to be reasonable, I am sure my cat would start running for cover after a few hourly doses.

If HCl acid and citric acid have a linear relationship to each other then it would be 50% citric acid is to 4% HCl acid as 10% citric acid is to 0.8% HCl acid, or a 1:12.5 ratio.  I don't know if it is a linear relationship between the two acids.  It has been too long since I took college inorganic chemistry.  I looked at the chemical equations but that didn't help.   I also found something talking about the difference in ionisation (attached) but I don't know if that means anything.  I wonder if anyone here knows if it is linear?

5NaClO2 + 4HCl → 4ClO2 + 5NaCl + 2H2O

15NaClO2 + 4C6H8O7 → 12ClO2 + 4C6H5Na3O7 + 3NaCl + 6H2O

 
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Antje Oswald's dosing for animals 09 Feb 2024 19:09 #81389

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The attached is from Jim Humbles guidebook.  It says you can use 33% or 35% citric acid (instead of 50%) and still only use 1 drop to activate one drop of MMS.  I guess it means there will be more MMS in the dose that will be activated in the stomach. I wonder what he'd say for 10% citric acid?
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