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Re-posting here a couple posts Steve made on another thread that are pertinent to measuring CDS. Thank you Steve!

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Complete Saturation at 41 degrees will be between 9000 and 10000 ppm

I am pretty steady getting 8000 ppm.
This works good for me, as my MMS1 (Keavy's)
is about 75 to 80 ppm3 drops in 3 oz of distilled water.

I know the HCl is intimidating to some, but HCl will convert 100% of all available ClO2, and Citric acid is only good for about 65% of available gas.
The inert ingredients in the NaClO2 will also come into play as far as gas released. My sodium chloite has no lye, so the pH drops a bit faster than most flakes, and mine doesn't contain any sodium chlorate. I can go from black activation liquid and thick gas to apple juice color liquid and no visible gas in about 10 minutes, and have a 32 oz batch measuring 8000 ppm in 30 minutes.

I am using 10 grams of Sodium Chlorite Powder, and adding 6% HCl at 5 minute intervals for 30 minutes.
I reach total saturation here in my heavy aired environment at about 8500 it seems.

I have also added a gas scrubber of MMS solution to bubble the CLo2 gas through PRIOR to the reagent chamber.
(Like the example posted somewhere)
This removes any incidental fumes, as well as being a dandy dust filter. The ClO2 wont go into the solution, but any other gas will.
This removes the gases caused by the inert ingredients in the NaClO2 as well as any acid fumes.


I have also found that 3000 ppm will keep well in 77 degree temps, with no pressure buildup, or refrigeration.

Sunlight though.... wow.... I have been dumping some, because I am not happy with it for whatever reason.
I carried a flask out back to where we activate and store our excess. After I poured it out, what was on the side of the glass just turned to smoke.

Now, I know I'm the big safety advocate, but I burned my eyes and lungs pretty good the other day.
The pressure popped my plug and the whole area looked green immediately. I have been doing this kinda stuff awhile, and I got got.

I feel great now, and I have a huge tolerance to this stuff, (if anyone does) so please be careful.


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Well, regardless of the method, we need to find out some sort of standard for ppm in final solution.
If no one has heard from Jim, then I will do all the math this weekend for a solution that should be easy for anyone to attain, regardless of method used.
Maybe even for a few different strengths. I'll post the equivalents.

The standard does need to be set though, and it has to come from the DR.
People in my position can't offer directions, so they have to be out there and available.

I also had a real epiphany (duh moment)
5 g/L is the equivilant of 5000 ppm

500 ml of distilled water should weigh 500 grams.

500 ml of CDS at 5000 ppm should WEIGH 502.5 grams......

I'm not sure this applies to gas, but I think it would, since it is in solution.
This would be an easy way to figure strength, without having to fiddle with the damn strips for every step.

Hi Michael,

Thanks again for your sharing of your experiments.

I am pretty sure from your experiments, it is pointing to the direction that 1ml of 3000ppm CDS = 3 drops of MMS1, if we want to use the conversion of 1ml CDS = 3 drops MMS1, then the CDS would have to be in the ballpark of 3000ppm.

If the above is true, then people who gets 6000ppm would need to cut the dose half to 0.5ml to match 3 drops MMS1. For those we can get 9000ppm, the dose would then be 0.33ml CDS to match 3 drops of MMS1 dosage.

The only problem is that everyone would invariably get different ppm on the CDS they produce, which would make the dose volume standardization a little difficult.

Again, above are just some assumptions and not verified by Bishop Jim and Rev Jon yet.

Once Bishop Jim and/or Rev Jon get back with us on dosing, we can go from there - us home DIYers can use testing strips, if necessary, to test a few batches - I think once we do several and get our own "style" down (How hot is hot, how cold is cold, etc) - and become consistent, then we'd only have to test an occasional batch. And Bishop Jim has stated that we can cut testing srips in half so each strip makes 2 - that will cut down on the cost (which isn't outrageous, anyway) - considerably.

I made a batch last night, using the Humble vid as my guide, and got the same PPM measurement as Michael - fwiw.

Michael wrote:

Useful measurements:
1 oz. = 1/8 cup = 30 ml
2 oz. = 1/4 cup = 59 ml
8 oz. = 1 cup = 137 ml
1 teaspoon = 5 ml
1/4 teaspoon = 1.25 ml

Just small correction to excellent article:

It should be 237 ml, not 137. I know it's typo, but please correct it, it may confuse someone. I find your article very useful and helpful.

well, in countries that use litter, milliliter, grams, Kilograms (like the country i am from) -

1 cup = 250ml = 250 gram (the Weight in grams or kilograms are for water only).
4 cups = 1 litter (1000ml) = 1 kilogram (1000 gram) of water.
1 tea spoon = 5ml = 5 grams of water.
1 Table spoon = 15ml = 15 gram of water.

conversion table - Ounces to Milliliter:

www.asknumbers.com/ounces-to-milliliter.aspx

Hi Nir,

What you have written here is not accurate. 1 cup, which is 8 ounces = 236.5882368 ml. I got this number off the website link that you provided. Please check it for yourself.

Take care,
Scott

Truthquester

I do not know what they write on that website about cups, I gave only the chart conversion table - Ounces to Milliliter.
When we say a cup of water it is always 250ml this is how things work here and in every country i have been that use Milliliters.

If you will buy here a measuring Cups for 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 cups it will ALWAYS be -
1 cup = 250ml
1/2 cup = 125ml
1/3 cup = 85ml
1/4 cup = 62ml

4 cups =1000ml=1 liter

This is how we use it in real life and i should know because i have been using it in the kitchen all my life.

Truthquester

I guess you are talking about this chart - www.asknumbers.com/CupToMilliliter.aspx
but this is - Cups (US) to Milliliters Chart

Why would we use in Europe or any other country that uses milliliters US cups??
We use European Cups which are 250ml

So if you want to convert from European Cups to oz you should use my numbers.
if you want to convert from US cups to milliliters you should use your numbers.

The easiest way is not to use cups as a measuring method at all.