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this is a copy and paste from a different group looking for the answers to the question using MMS2 water with DMSO for external penetrating applications.

Subject: Re: [Humble_MMS] Research?



It sounds to me like you can mix it with mms2 and the DMSO will take out the free chlorine in the solution, which is a good thing, while not affecting the chlorine dioxide and other oxychlorines. However, if you have a strong mms2 solution, it will be very acidic and they are saying it could be enough to oxidize the DMSO, and I don't know how good or bad that could be.

I went to that link and you can't tell what that article is about. I don't think they are doing this in human bodies, it sounds like it is reactions under lab conditions.

If you are going to test it, I would do it on your skin first. Start out with low dilutions and use it on a healthy person's skin.

What you should do Gary is go here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=showcat&catid=2&Itemid=66 and ask Bruce (brtanner) this question, about using DMSO with mms2. Just start a new topic in the questions re mms section. He went through Jim's training and he'll answer by tomorrow morning.

Michael Harrah

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Subject: [Humble_MMS] Research?


Let us figure out with this is saying no mix dmso for use with mm2 water or yes mix dmso with mms2 water?

pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/1995/AN/an9952001983

The aim of this work was to demonstrate that dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) is an excellent masking agent for aqueous chlorine in the determination of other oxychlorines. By the addition of excess DMSO, specific absorbance of free chlorine disappeared, and the oxidation of iodide to iodine by chlorine was completely prevented. Chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate were not affected by the co-existence of excess DMSO, but chlorosulfamic acid, showed results comparable to free chlorine. By using ion chromatographic analysis of the mixed solution of free chlorine and DMSO, chloride was recovered as the only anionic species and its molar concentration was approximately twice the initial chlorine concentration. DMSO seems to reduce and mask chlorine completely, without affecting other oxychlorines. Chlorine and DMSO reacted in the molar ratio of 1:1 The reaction seemed to be second-order. The rate constant was larger at a lower pH, and it was dependent not on a concentration of total chlorine, but on that of hypochlorous acid. The redox potential of DMSO was higher at a lower pH, and only hypochlorous acid would have a redox potential high enough to oxidize DMSO in acidic conditions. These results suggest that DMSO reacts with hypochlorous acid stoichiometrically. In practical use, DMSO may be successfully used as a masking agent for aqueous chlorine.

The use of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was investigated. Under neutral and acidic conditions, DMSO selectively reacted with free and combined Cl2 and did not affect oxychlorines such as chlorine dioxide (ClO2), chlorite and chlorate. The utility of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was demonstrated by the titrimetric, voltammetric and spectrophotometric determination of various oxychlorines (mainly ClO2) in the presence of Cl2. The mechanism of the reaction between DMSO and Cl2 is also discussed.

I also posted this in the Questions section...

Hi Michael and Gary,

I'm afraid that this has me stumped. I'm not aware of the problem of free chlorine (Cl2) in solution with MMS2/hypochlorous acid. If there is a significant amount, it raises questions about what it then reacts with and what the products of the reactions are. It's possible that DMSO does reduce or eliminate the Cl2 molecules, but creates trihalomethanes or such in the process, which would mean that any benefits would be canceled out.

My understanding is that MMS2 is only of particular value taken internally - it's used by the white blood cells as part of their arsenal to eliminate particulates they absorb. I doubt that it has much benefit applied topically, but that's one more thing that's worthy of being tested with our ample research budget

In the regard of taking DMSO with MMS2 internally, the DMSO may have several different functions. It may help with healing in its own right, it may make the hypochlorous acid more available for uptake into the immune system. It may react with the hypochlorous acid itself, which may not be desirable.

I'm not a chemist, I only play one on TV...

I will send this an an inquiry to Jim Humble.

Bruce;
Good to hear from you and thanks for all your hard work and dedication....
Very interesting pro and con articles (pasted below) regarding DMSO and MMS

These are what we have learned: MMS2 has been first tested by medical doctors. As calcium hypochlorite. They used it extensively on injuries. It made the injuries heal faster than any other sterilizer or disinfectant as hypochlorous acid does not damage the injuried cells further as does all disinfectants. One group of medical doctors tested it on hundreds of accident victims in several hospitals. The data is available on the internet. I don't have time to look it up, but anyone can find it.

I and my workers have been useing MMS2 (calcium hypochlorite, 1/2 teaspoon full in a glass of water for about a year with much good results on the skin. I have added DMSO personally to it when on my skin. I do not have any bad effects to report but then I didn't notice in great results either. I assume it is beneficial however.

About the report that DMSO kills the chlorine, if that is true I think that is a great benefit as there are reports that small amounts of chlorine might be involved. Same reports of chlorine with MMS1 but if it is so it is a very small amount.

As always with love,
Bishop Jim

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Bruce Tanner <brtanner@brucetanner.info> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Below is an inquiry sent to the forum from someone who saw information about the effects of DMSO on hypochlorous acid solutions. I don't know if you have any additional thoughts on it, but would be very interested ifl you do.

Thanks,
Bruce

this is a copy and paste from a different group looking for the answers to the question using MMS2 water with DMSO for external penetrating applications.

Subject: Re: [Humble_MMS] Research?



It sounds to me like you can mix it with mms2 and the DMSO will take out the free chlorine in the solution, which is a good thing, while not affecting the chlorine dioxide and other oxychlorines. However, if you have a strong mms2 solution, it will be very acidic and they are saying it could be enough to oxidize the DMSO, and I don't know how good or bad that could be.

I went to that link and you can't tell what that article is about. I don't think they are doing this in human bodies, it sounds like it is reactions under lab conditions.

If you are going to test it, I would do it on your skin first. Start out with low dilutions and use it on a healthy person's skin.

Michael Harrah

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Original Message

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From: Gary Stauffer
To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: [Humble_MMS] Research?


Let us figure out with this is saying no mix dmso for use with mm2 water or yes mix dmso with mms2 water?

pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/1995/AN/an9952001983

The aim of this work was to demonstrate that dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) is an excellent masking agent for aqueous chlorine in the determination of other oxychlorines. By the addition of excess DMSO, specific absorbance of free chlorine disappeared, and the oxidation of iodide to iodine by chlorine was completely prevented. Chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate were not affected by the co-existence of excess DMSO, but chlorosulfamic acid, showed results comparable to free chlorine. By using ion chromatographic analysis of the mixed solution of free chlorine and DMSO, chloride was recovered as the only anionic species and its molar concentration was approximately twice the initial chlorine concentration. DMSO seems to reduce and mask chlorine completely, without affecting other oxychlorines. Chlorine and DMSO reacted in the molar ratio of 1:1 The reaction seemed to be second-order. The rate constant was larger at a lower pH, and it was dependent not on a concentration of total chlorine, but on that of hypochlorous acid. The redox potential of DMSO was higher at a lower pH, and only hypochlorous acid would have a redox potential high enough to oxidize DMSO in acidic conditions. These results suggest that DMSO reacts with hypochlorous acid stoichiometrically. In practical use, DMSO may be successfully used as a masking agent for aqueous chlorine.

The use of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was investigated. Under neutral and acidic conditions, DMSO selectively reacted with free and combined Cl2 and did not affect oxychlorines such as chlorine dioxide (ClO2), chlorite and chlorate. The utility of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was demonstrated by the titrimetric, voltammetric and spectrophotometric determination of various oxychlorines (mainly ClO2) in the presence of Cl2. The mechanism of the reaction between DMSO and Cl2 is also discussed.

Hi Michael and Gary,

I'm afraid that this has me stumped. I'm not aware of the problem of free chlorine (Cl2) in solution with MMS2/hypochlorous acid. If there is a significant amount, it raises questions about what it then reacts with and what the products of the reactions are. It's possible that DMSO does reduce or eliminate the Cl2 molecules, but creates trihalomethanes or such in the process, which would mean that any benefits would be canceled out.

My understanding is that MMS2 is only of particular value taken internally - it's used by the white blood cells as part of their arsenal to eliminate particulates they absorb. I doubt that it has much benefit applied topically, but that's one more thing that's worthy of being tested with our ample research budget

In the regard of taking DMSO with MMS2 internally, the DMSO may have several different functions. It may help with healing in its own right, it may make the hypochlorous acid more available for uptake into the immune system. It may react with the hypochlorous acid itself, which may not be desirable.

I'm not a chemist, I only play one on TV...

I will send this an an inquiry to Jim Humble.

Thanks very much Bruce for your answer and for sending this to Jim for his input. What Jim says about the use of mms2 for injuries is very consistent with a report we got from Deborah, a friend of mine, about her husband using it on deep cuts. I am pasting her report below.


Hi Group,

I wanted to share a recent experience in reference to MMS2 and wound care.

Last week my husband an Electrician, suffered 2 very deep wounds on the right hand , deep in the knuckle area. Ouch..what a terrible place to have these cuts . As you know the knuckle joint areas don't offer much skin or fatty tissue there.

As I saw them when he came home, I immediately ran for the Hydrogen Peroxide. Then I remembered reading Jim's writing on the Calcium Hypochlorite's efficacy in this area. So, I opened up one capsule I made and dissolved it in 1/2 cup of water. My husband soaked the two knuckles in it. He got immediate pain relief (said it did not even burn like peroxide). After 2 days of doing this his knuckle joints were healing at a rate I could not believe! Now there is beautiful new skin on both knuckles !

I think its a great idea to have some of these capsules made up in our first -aid kits.

I found the 73% Calcium Hypochlorite here in a small bag for 4.95 at a local pool store (www.lesliespool.com/browse/Home/Pool-Che...:1000:100010/I/14620). Then got the size O capsules ( this is what we take daily too).

Here is the link from Jim Humble ( its somewhere in the data about the cuts vs. Hydrogen Peroxide ( even though the chart here says it has not been tested yet as a skin spray).

mms-central.com/mms2dosage.htm

Happy wound healing,
Deborah