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When to retake CD4 count test? 06 Apr 2012 15:24 #15521

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Hello all,

I started MMS1 Protocol 1000 on March 22nd. Today it's my 3rd week on it. As I had stated in a previous post, I had a bad cold right in the beginning, and the worst symptoms went away in a couple of days. A few days after, my right eye got very red, puffy and watery secreting a lot of rheum, I even got very small lesions on my eyelid there. Right now that has almost completely resolved. Also, at two weeks with Protocol 1000, I had some diarrhea for two days, but didn't really bothered me.
The eczema that I had been suffering in my face since a child has improved, I have been using olive oil for it too...

Anyway, I was just wondering when it should be a good time to get CD4 count. The last one I had was in december 2011, it was 275. Almost a year prior, my count had been 285.

A week ago I visited my infectious disease doctor and told him I had stopped taking ARVs. He tried to scare me by telling me that all the people he has seen who stopped ARVs are dead now, that the ARVs are not toxic, that HIV is the toxic one here, that if I am lucky I can keep asymptomatic for a few years, but sooner or later I will catch something really bad like a lymphoma and I will die... Gee! I didn't argue with him, but he did scare me and I started to have second thoughts about this... Still, I kept following protocol 1000. Right now I feel pretty much OK and happy with the treatment; I think I lost some weight, though...

Sorry if I have to verbalize this, but it's just that I don't have anyone to talk to about this issue. My doc thinks I am going to die, my friends don't really know, but when insinuating that I might stop taking the ARVs, they get panicked...

I would appreciate some comments...

Peace and good health to all!

Luis
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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 07 Apr 2012 02:55 #15534

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Hi, Luis. Keep up the good work. Evidence shows that ARV's destroy your liver in about 2 -3 years. Don't worry about dying - we all get a turn.
Taking MMS, you may die at 80,90,100, unless the train runs over you. Your Doc will probably die before you! Stock up on MMS while you can. The UN AGENDA 21 is to kill off as many people as possible, without having to shoot them, by inventing new diseases, GM food with poisons built in, poisoned air, poisoned water and blame it on God.
Don't worry about testing until 3 months after you're well and then only if you feel you have to. Better to stay away from those people!
Plan on taking maintenance doses forever.
We're all your friends and are here to support you and answer your questions 24/7 .
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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 08 Apr 2012 03:47 #15581

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Thank you Paul! I went to the country today, played some volleyball, swam in the pool, got some sun, it felt good :)
Feel awfully tired right now, though...
I'll keep taking my MMS and hoping for the best.
Blessings!

Luis
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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 08 Apr 2012 21:45 #15605

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Hi Luis,

If possible, I advise that you stay away from the lab work for at least several months after finishing the p1000 and of course, stay on the maintenance doses if you can.

I did p1000 for 4 weeks, then did two different protocols for malaria (15 drops of activated MMS and then 15 more drops an hour later) in the following week or two. I did that because I almost died of Toxoplasmosis, which is similar to Malaria and doctors give the same medicines to cure both. I do maintenance doses of MMS (6-10 drops once a day) every other day or so. My health has been good. I am also receiving Acupuncture treatments every two weeks and am generally under the care of Chinese medicine for any ailments that pop up. Nothing so far. I, too, lost a bit of weight but much of that was from my swollen spleen and stomach going back to normal once off the meds for a few weeks.

I did the p1000 back in mid Sept. through the end of Oct. I had VL and CD4 counts done in early February, (it had been almost 3 full months since I finished the p1000). My test results were not good. My Tcell count had gone down and my VL had gone from undetectable to around 50,000. I wasn't really expecting much improvement but was a bit surprised that the TCell count had gone down....still slightly above 200. Around 245.

When I told my physician that I had stopped taking the medications, he dropped me as a patient. So, as it stands now, I have a primary care physician but I do not know if he will be willing to order lab work. I won't know until I see him on May 5th. He doesn't treat HIV so he may not be willing to order that lab work for me.

I am not convinced that the lab work is important or actually monitoring anything other than the TCell count. Obviously, the normal range is generally above 400 but there are people with lower counts who are perfectly healthy. Everyone's count can go up and down from one day to the next.

So, if you still have your doctor who is willing to stick it out with you, that's good if you want to continue getting the lab work done just to monitor your progress with the MMS.

By the way, not to argue with Paul but I feel that it is important as one who was diagnosed HIV positive in 2000 and was on ARVs for 8 years straight: The ARVs did not destroy my liver in 2-3 years. My liver counts were always good and still are. I will say, however, that my physician did tell me that I would not die of HIV/AIDS but from the toxicity of the drugs eventually. Yes, he actually admitted that to me.

I just feel that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation around about HIV, the meds, etc. Just speaking from my own experience. That's all I can do.

So, be strong, stick with it and hope for the best but don't get discouraged. As David Kiango said to me endlessly,....a health attitude, healthy diet and exercise are most important. You must believe that you are well and live a healthy lifestyle...plenty of love helps too! :)

Feel free to private mail me if you feel the need. Peace and Health! Terry
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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 09 Apr 2012 00:54 #15609

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What is UN Agenda 21?

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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 09 Apr 2012 02:28 #15614

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

It's a nice sounding plan until you look at how it's being used. The end game is to get rid of the 99% so that the 1% can have anything they want for a fraction of the price.
Some examples:
Steering hurricane Katrina into New Orleans to blow it off the map and then steal the land.
Slaughtering Ugandan peasants to steal their land to plant trees and sell carbon credits.
Blowing Libya (the most democratic country in the world) off the map + 100,000 people to steal their oil, water and gold.
Herding the Indians onto reserves (FEMA Camps) and infecting them with small pox and tb to steal their land.
Vaccinating newborn babies with a dozen diseases.

There's no end to it.............yet.

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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 10 Apr 2012 08:29 #15665

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Hi Paul,
am newbie on here, i came across this site usefull to hiv aids people and other ailment that is why i decided to try my luck here also if i could be one of those that find there cure. some yrs back i was diagnose with hepatitis B i didnt go to doctor to find medicine for it cos i belive there science if the cos of all this so call disease people are getting today. about some months ago i just go to the lab after having some pain around my body and diarrhea so the Doctor ask me to under go hiv test and it came out positive, i was deverstated of the news but God knows why. i came across this site talking about MMS 1 AND 2. Please i need you to advice me on how it work and how to use it also. Is there any place to buy this mms in india because i live in india.
thanks
God bless this site of hope.

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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 10 Apr 2012 13:57 #15667

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Hi Luis
Welcome on board!

Just dont panic. I know that feeling when you need to talk to someone, I was there too. My docs are not telling me anything else that I already know and every time try to scare me with vaccinations and medication. They call my mobile phone from time to time trying to convince me to get a jab and they do not understand why I would not, they say I am in high danger. My friends - no knowledge. Parents - have no idea abt diagnosis. But yes we have this forum.

It took me awhile to come up with conclusion that doc visits and their calls make me worried and thinking about hiv, etc. I decided to give it up and continue with my life.

Honestly, after having gone through couple of MMS protocols and maintenance doses, right now I feel better than EVER before in my loife even before the diagnosis.

So their CD4 numbers wont tell me what to do. Nor the stats.

I just recommend you sit and think what you want from your career and life and keep on taking MMS.

That stuff works! My UTIs are gone, my psoriasis is gone.
Best is to concentrate on your life and good food. It might take time to drop the hospital, but it will be a release.

Feel free to PM me too ;)
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Re: When to retake CD4 count test? 10 Apr 2012 23:44 #15706

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Thanks Rose... Yes, I feel a bit discouraged sometimes, but I am trying to cope with it...

Actually, this is my 3rd week with protocol 1000, and right now I feel pretty much OK; I have regained enough energy to keep my usual routine in the gym, I have more apetite; nothing bad right now...

Thanks for your message, I really appreciate it! I'll try not to worry that much and just keep living well :)
Hope I can keep contact with you later.

Take care and big hugs!

Luis

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