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04 Jul 2025 15:47 #86984 by periwinkle
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I come to this forum for help with my cats and kittens, but I'm also wondering if anyone knows of some good forums similar to this one that would focus on ways to treat cats using natural remedies.

Currently, I keep losing kittens and some of my adults who are young.  I was told by a woman at the Humane Society that my house might have this bacteria which lives on surfaces for a long time.  So I bought a Hypochlorus Acid (HOCI) generator for disinfecting as I understand that it can kill the AIDS virus.  At least this is what my chiropractor said.  I've just started spraying it into my cats' faces.  Cats don't like to be sprayed at all, but I have to do it.  I just lost two kittens yesterday. 

The heat also seems to be taking a toll on everyone.  My central AC went out in May and we've been relying on two room units for the entire house.  It gets extremely hot where I live as I'm in Phoenix, Arizona.  It was 115F last week.  I couldn't afford the AC repair until just recently but I do things like placing 300 lbs of ice around the house in buckets to help cool the place.  We have lots of fans, but it still can get up to over 100F inside my house.  

Right now I have a boy who is only 3 years old and I was giving him CD once or twice a day before meals.  His eyes have always had a lot of gunk in them.  For a while I couldn't give him CD because he would disappear when he saw me coming with the large glass syringe. So I know that had to have hurt him immensely because he's struggling to breathe now and this just started yesterday.  I think it might be his liver as I've had problems with my liver backing up and then I have trouble breathing.  I have to fast sometimes because only the smallest meals could be tolerated.  I take CD a few times a week, but especially if I start to have trouble breathing.  It works better than my inhaler.  But I digress.

I just started using HOCI on my cats as I somehow didn't integrate some of the info from CLO2 in the past.  I have made solutions with the HOCI generator and it was very easy to do.  I think I overthink things too often and worry about doing something wrong and harming my pets.  I was using it only to disinfect but realized she said I could also breathe it in.  I have a diffuser, but I don't know if the HOCl would destroy it as it's only made for essential oils.  I've read that essential oils are harmful to cats, so I don't use the diffuser with the oils at all.  I may just try it anyway with HOCI as the diffuser isn't getting any use anyway.  As for my cat, Leo is 3 years old.

Leo is struggling with breathing and I think it could be his liver.  It's so hard to listen to him wheezing.  I've been giving him CD more often, but he's in pretty bad shape.  He's not eating and just moves around to find a more comfortable place where he can breathe more easily.  I've recently been cleaning a lot and trying to get my house more organized, so I wonder if that could be moving energy and causing problems.  I'm certain the heat isn't helping, but Leo spends most of his time in my bedroom which has an AC unit, so it is fairly cool.

I realize I always have a lot to say, so hopefully someone will read through this post and have more info on resources for pets.  I don't take my cats to vets anymore due to the exorbitant cost compared to a helpful outcome.  

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04 Jul 2025 19:00 #86987 by CLO2
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Hi Periwinkle. HOCL is very safe to use for cleaning, disinfecting fruits and veggies, etc. I use it in a small humidifier. I suspect the humidity where you live is very low this time of year. I often put my face into the humidifier's white stream of HOCL mist and breathe in some of it, and let it spray into my eyes.

When making HOCL, it is important to measure the pH to be sure you have HOCL and not chlorine or bleach. Usually a small amount of 5% white vinegar needs to be added to the recipe. 




The reason your cats don't like CLO2 is because of the smell and taste. If you follow the attached cat and dog protocols, you won't have that problem. Many people report good success when using these protocols. If you try the protocols, let us know the results. Thanks, Stay cool. 
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20 Jul 2025 17:41 #87109 by periwinkle
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Hi  CLO2 ,

I very much appreciate the attachment you sent about the frequent dosing (4x an hour) as this is something I haven't done yet.  My cats already get water with sodium chlorite in it.  I figure that the ones who won't take it from the syringe might drink it from a water dish.

I just lost another kitten last night and it's truly heartbreaking.  I looked at the chart and noticed the lowest weight for a cat is 5lbs.  The remaining brother who has crusty eyes and nose weighs less than one pound, so I was trying to calculate how much sodium chlorite I would put into a glass.  He probably weighs 4 oz.  I have a small scale and I'll have to check his weight.  I've been giving him 4ml CD in a syringe every few hours.  He doesn't like it, but it's probably keeping him alive.  If I half the lowest dose for about a 1.1 kg (which is still well above his weight), it's .225 ml.  He would take even less than this amount.  Probably .1 ml.  I think that would be about a single drop in the 4 oz water.  

At this point, I don't think I could give him the correct dose of sodium chlorite because of his weight.  I think I would just have to keep giving him the CD.  What do you think? 

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21 Jul 2025 11:54 #87120 by CLO2
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Hi  CLO2 ,

I very much appreciate the attachment you sent about the frequent dosing (4x an hour) as this is something I haven't done yet.  My cats already get water with sodium chlorite in it.  I figure that the ones who won't take it from the syringe might drink it from a water dish.

I just lost another kitten last night and it's truly heartbreaking.  I looked at the chart and noticed the lowest weight for a cat is 5lbs.  The remaining brother who has crusty eyes and nose weighs less than one pound, so I was trying to calculate how much sodium chlorite I would put into a glass.  He probably weighs 4 oz.  I have a small scale and I'll have to check his weight.  I've been giving him 4ml CD in a syringe every few hours.  He doesn't like it, but it's probably keeping him alive.  If I half the lowest dose for about a 1.1 kg (which is still well above his weight), it's .225 ml.  He would take even less than this amount.  Probably .1 ml.  I think that would be about a single drop in the 4 oz water.  

At this point, I don't think I could give him the correct dose of sodium chlorite because of his weight.  I think I would just have to keep giving him the CD.  What do you think? When you use the term CD, that is generally known as MMS1. 

CLO2 is quite powerful, even just 1 drop dose of MMS1 which can contain 8mg of CLO2. You could make a one drop dose of MMS1 and give 1/4 of that to the kitten. 

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14 Aug 2025 20:10 - 14 Aug 2025 20:11 #87285 by periwinkle
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Not sure if these are the results I want CLO2 .  So I've made HOCI a few times and the color of the Ph strip is always yellow or number 6.  I thought this was correct as it says the level between 4 and 6 is when HOCI is most dominant according to the instructions on the HOCI generator i.

I'm including photos as this is troubling.  The only difference in making the solution is that I usually make it outside.  When I've checked the pH strip it always remained the same color as it was originally.  The strips are yellow and they wouldn't really change color, but I could see the line where the HOCI finished spreading out to.  Outside it's much hotter outdoors than inside and I wonder if that is affecting the strips' color?

I made the last HOCI inside and twice I got the same green results.  According to the test strip guide, my color is 8 and that's not the right number.  The instructions say the HOCI is most dominant in a solution between 4 and 6 pH.

Any ideas on what to do here?  I don't want to mist the cats' eyes or put this solution in a diffuser if it's not correct.

I will try making the solution outside again, but this is worrisome.  I don't know if I have been doing it wrong when I got the yellow pH of 6 or if it's wrong now with the green pH of 8.

I'm going to call the EcoloxTech and see if they can provide any answers.

 
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15 Aug 2025 01:52 #87287 by periwinkle
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I called Ecolox Tech and the representative said that the first color I see as soon as I dip the test paper is the correct color.  He said outside temps do not influence the paper.  Now here is what is strange:  I made the HOCI 3 times in my house and each time the paper was green!  I watched it carefully the third time and it was yellow for about 2 seconds (after dipping) then started to turn green, which is 8 and is considered bleach.  So I threw it down the drain.

Then I went outside and used the water from my main tap and made the HOCI outside.  The paper was yellow!  This is the exact color it is supposed to be.  Now I'm wondering what is going on inside my house that the paper would turn green?  My outside tap is the main for the house.  I don't know what is going on, but this concerns me.  

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15 Aug 2025 03:48 - 15 Aug 2025 03:54 #87288 by CLO2
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I called Ecolox Tech and the representative said that the first color I see as soon as I dip the test paper is the correct color.  He said outside temps do not influence the paper.  Now here is what is strange:  I made the HOCI 3 times in my house and each time the paper was green!  I watched it carefully the third time and it was yellow for about 2 seconds (after dipping) then started to turn green, which is 8 and is considered bleach.  So I threw it down the drain.

Then I went outside and used the water from my main tap and made the HOCI outside.  The paper was yellow!  This is the exact color it is supposed to be.  Now I'm wondering what is going on inside my house that the paper would turn green?  My outside tap is the main for the house.  I don't know what is going on, but this concerns me.  

Hi periwinkle. I know what you are going through trying to measure the pH of HOCL or any other liquid. 

For years I struggled to measure pH using paper strips and inexpensive pH meters. Finally, I decided to buy a good pH meter, and what a difference that has made! 

I made some HOCL last night and today I used some and decided to measure the pH, as you can see in this photo I just took. 


 

This pH meter was designed and made in Japan. It is model PH-11 and I bought it here

It is easy to use and easy to calibrate. It keeps it calibration for months. If you buy one, let me know and I can offer some tips. 



 
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