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Viruses don't exist? 17 Dec 2022 17:59 #77205

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I wonder if any of you good people here has ever heard of the 'virus challenge'? This is it:

andrewkaufmanmd.com/settling-the-virus-debate/

Several researchers are saying that virology is a pseudoscience and that viruses do not actually exist. Including this guy:

www.researchgate.net/profile/Saeed-Qureshi

Who definitely looks like he knows what he is talking about!

What does everyone think about it?

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Viruses don't exist? 18 Dec 2022 05:32 #77207

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Afaic, the "viruses don't exist" nonsense is disproved Pseudo-Science and "Junk 'Science' ".

And if you do even a quick search on Saeed-Qureshi, he seems to basically be a "non-person", if not an outright fraud, which is typical. I've seen that SO many times with so-called and self-proclaimed "experts" and "doctors" and "scientists" and "PhDs", ad infinitum, ad nauseum. (or the WAY overused "I was a Navy SEAL!")

Oftentimes when "discussing" this with people who "think" they know better, you will get the typical responses that you get from Flat Earthers, Anti-Semites, and other people like that, like, "he said it kills the virus, which is impossible, because viruses aren't alive, so he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about", and other ridiculous crap like that.
(these people are either being purposely (?) obtuse, or their ignorance is showing, or they are blathering what they've seen other people say/write, or they are just trying to make the best argument they can, which is never near good enough.
(as in "kill" means "destroy" -- Duh! and Doh! --- oftentimes subtlety is NOT their strong point)

{ a favorite of anti-Semites is, "I can't be an anti-Semite because the Jews aren't Semites, etc., etc., etc., blah-blah-blah --- what-ev-er }

Also, always keep in mind that EVERYONE from EVERY "subject area of expertise / knowledge / work-career" falls somewhere on the Bell Curve, which means AT LEAST 50% of them aren't so good, or experienced, or knowledgeable, etc..... and AT LEAST 25% of them are basically if not outright incompetent.
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Viruses don't exist? 18 Dec 2022 09:30 #77208

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I don't know anything at all about semites or anti-semites. And I don't know whether or not viruses exist. I am not a scientist. But there are 20 highly qualified people on that 'Settling The Virus Debate' page who are endorsing a set of experiments to help to settle the 'existence of viruses' debate once and for all. If all these highly qualified people doubt the existence of viruses, then I'm not going to immediately write them off as charlatans or nutcases or whatever.

This is what I think. If you are an honest scientist who has a hypothesis, the only thing you should be concerned about is whether your hypothesis is right or wrong. Therefore, if someone thinks of ANY experiments that could prove your hypothesis to be wrong, an honest scientist would welcome these experiments. Even if the person carrying them out was his MORTAL ENEMY. That’s what science should be like. The continual quest for accurate non-contradictory identification of objective reality.

In a rational society, EVERY VIROLOGIST IN THE WORLD would endorse the ‘virus challenge’.

So, from my own point of view, I think those experiments are a fantastic idea.

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Viruses don't exist? 19 Dec 2022 08:03 #77213

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That would be nice, and is an EXTREME ideal.

But that is not how "Science" works or "Scientists" act.

If you study the history of "science" and "scientists", it's a very sad state of affairs,
just like everything else. (with fairly extreme Politics, incompetence, corruption,
fighting and arguing, extreme arrogance and out of control EGOs, backstabbing,
money-grubbing, and all the rest)

It's apparently part of the Human Condition and Reality of our Multiverse.
(or Universe, since apparently there is now an anti-Multiverse contingent)

Which is why you can't use anything "Science" claims or "Scientists" claim as
anything other than a "That's interesting and would be good/bad if it was true."

Unless it has been proven "absolutely" or WELL Beyond A Reasonable Doubt,
preferably at least WELL Beyond A Shadow of A Doubt.
But those are fairly rare once you reach a certain threshold and level of complexity.

Which is why "we" can have this argument / discussion about viruses.

As for viruses being what they have generally been claimed to be for decades now,
I think the science was in on that decades ago.

But you never know. It's always important to try to keep an open mind, and be
objective, and try to not be too biased, etc.... And TRY to keep up with the current
'science' and thinking and theories and knowledge, etc...

However, one of the telling "problems" is that if it isn't viruses causing disease,
then what is it? And AFAICS, "they" don't have a good or decent theory for that.
Or any good science in support of their claims, or refutation of the current status quo.

Admittedly, it's been a while since I've looked into this stuff.

As for my 'comparisons' to Flat Earthers, and Anti-Semites, and the like, "these people"
tend to act and talk and write and think and believe along certain lines of similarity.
Not all of them, obviously. And then mix in some hyper-paranoid delusional fantasies,
and you've got a Fruity Salad that would choke a horse.

And Full Disclosure, I am a 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement and
Anti-GeoEngineering Aerosol Spraying Movement supporter and I believe that
the U.S. has NOT sent MANNED missions to the Moon.
I could be wrong about any of those, but I used to be a "non-believer" and
after WAY too much research, and study, and the like, I was self-forced into
my current stance even though I didn't want to believe.
And I'm still pissed off that I "might" be right and that I "had to" spend all of that
time learning about stuff so I could make a decent decision, one way or another.

 
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Viruses don't exist? 19 Dec 2022 09:26 #77214

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Viruses don't exist. Quite simply there is no scientific proof that they do. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Start with C19. Then have a go with rabies. Just because the talking box says something doesn't make it true. 
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Viruses don't exist? 19 Dec 2022 15:26 #77218

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I have only followed it a little bit but I do know...

Ancel Keys purposely picked the set of countries he used to "prove" his hypothesis of saturated fat causing heart disease. His theory has been disproven but still remains a prevalent belief today.

100 million people did not die from the Spanish Flu. Over the years politicians started adjusting the number up and the vast majority of the world just believes it as truth when the real number is significantly lower.

HIV does not cause AIDS. There isn't any science, it's just a claim.

CV was not transmitted from a seafood market. There were no bats sold at the Wuhan market and no "viral" infection was found in any of the animals that were sold there.

None of this has any direct relation to the debate about viruses, neither does JFK, no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, operation mockingbird, MK-ULTRA, the Federal Reserve (Central banking), the myriad of other nefarious programs around the world, or the suppression of MMS/CDS. It all should make one understand the level of deception we have lived under our entire lives. We all believe more things that are false than know are true.

"I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance."
 

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Viruses don't exist? 19 Dec 2022 16:03 #77220

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Until 1952, virologists believed that the virus was a toxic protein or enzyme that directly poisoned the body, and that the body itself somehow reproduced and spread it
in the body, but also between humans and animals. Medicine and science abandoned this idea in 1951 because the alleged virus had never been seen under an electron microscope, and above all, no control experiments had ever been carried out. It was recognized that even healthy animals, organs and tissues would release the same decay products during the decomposition process, which were previously misinterpreted as "viruses". Virology has disproved itself.

viroliegyhome.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/wissenschafftplus-the-virus-misconception-part-1.pdf
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Viruses don't exist? 21 Dec 2022 09:53 #77230

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You are cherry picking your "proofs" and "evidence" to make points that are invalid.

Like, for example, only mentioning and referencing Ancel Keys and his studies.
There have been THOUSANDS of studies that pretty much prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt,
or better than that, that saturated fats DO cause and promote heart disease, and
illnesses like heart attacks, strokes, etc.....
(always helps when you "consider the source", like when the National Cattlemen's
Association, the National Pork Board, the National Dairy Council, and other
agencies and organizations like that fund a study versus a (more) objective group
that has no Conflict of Interest, etc.....)

"Politicians" did NOT "adjust the number up" for the deaths from the Spanish Flu over the years.
(any suggestion otherwise should sound alarm bells for not having the Ring of Truth to it)

HIV may or may not "cause AIDS", but it is at the very least a contributing causal factor.
There has been a HUGE amount of research on this subject, more than a person can read
and study, and much of it not understandable by a "lay person". I remember when the
"HIV doesn't cause AIDS" crap started floating around the Internet and the types of people
who were promoting it and spreading it, and they were NOT to be believed or given the
slightest acknowledgement or serious consideration.

You have absolutely NO idea about what was sold at the Wuhan market OR if there
was any disease found in any of the animals there. The Chinese government CANNOT
be trusted at all about pretty much anything. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

I suggest your hyper-paranoia is running amok and is out of control, and is negatively
affecting your logic and critical thinking. Like PTSD and other issues like that,
Long Term Hyper-Paranoia literally changes the physiology of your brain, and
there is no way to "get back to normal". Eventually EVERYTHING becomes some
kind of a "conspiracy theory" and you will increasingly suffer from Persecution Complex
and other problems like that. I've seen it happen to friends and co-workers over the
years, slowly and quickly, with usually devastating results. It's literally like being in
a Cult. It's not impossible to "do better", but it is very difficult. That's why I always
warn people about long term hyper-paranoia and other things like that.
But most people ignore the warning. And then they are truly lost. It's always very sad.
 
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Viruses don't exist? 21 Dec 2022 10:12 #77231

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Before arguing any further, I suggest everyone has a look at this:

viroliegy.com/2022/12/19/virologys-lack-of-control/

And, if anyone wants further information, the main site is here:

viroliegy.com/
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