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Use only citric acid? 17 May 2021 02:39 #69009

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Use only citric acid?

I am only mentioning this news, not to provoke problems or violent discussions.

It seems that it will be necessary to change the formulations of the CDH and "the antidote", and use only citric acid.


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Según él, “si se sintetiza MMS o CDS usando HCl se produce Cl2, cloro molecular, que contamina tanto al MMS como al CDS. El Cl2 es un gas que al contacto con la materia orgánica del estómago puede producir THMS. Los THMS son cancerígenos”.

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According to him, "if you synthesize MMS or CDS using HCl you produce Cl2, molecular chlorine, which contaminates both MMS and CDS. Cl2 is a gas that on contact with organic matter in the stomach can produce THMS. THMS are carcinogenic.

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Otro científico, Sergio Pereira, suizo, hizo un reporte de haber encontrado en las soluciones preparadas con ácido clorhídrico, contrastadas con las que se preparan con ácido cítrico, un poder menor de oxidación.

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Another scientist, Sergio Pereira, Swiss, made a report of having found in solutions prepared with hydrochloric acid, contrasted with those prepared with citric acid, a lower oxidizing power.

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If CLO2 or Scott McRae are reading this, and they have someone to translate the video for them from time 2:39:00, it touches on HCL.

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I say it again, I'm not here to stir up trouble, should I believe this news?

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Use only citric acid? 17 May 2021 04:22 #69012

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Yes, I have heard about this. AK I don't think has commented about this so-called problem. 

When I measure CDS ppm using a photometer, the first of two reagents used is glycine which removes any free chlorine, which would increase the CLO2 reading if there was any present. The second reagent imparts a color into a small chamber in the photometer where a light shines through the solution and reads out CLO2 ppm on a LED display. I have measured with and without using glycine and got a 5% difference. Hardly worth considering. 

You can use citric acid to make CDS and as far as I know, nothing from CA will be the CDS water. Especially if you don't heat the reactor solution, which some people do when making CDS using the old AK method. You can make CDS in a fridge. 

I am working on methods to make CDS and CDH using only dry NaCLO2 flakes and dry citric acid granules. The reason is because dry SC flakes can last 20 years and dry CA can last at least 9 years, by my testing. A 22.4% SC solution (MMS) will be effective for about 18 months, I have found by testing. A 4% HCL solution will last about 2 to 3 years, as I recall. 

AK says don't use CA to make MMS1 or CDH, but it is okay for making CDS. 

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Use only citric acid? 17 May 2021 13:15 #69016

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In short, what should I do?

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Use only citric acid? 17 May 2021 17:55 #69024

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People have been using both 4% HCL and 50% citric acid for years to activate MMS with no problems. 

Personally, I use both and I am still alive. 

Until recently, I had never heard of this. Why now? MMS has been researched for years and no one had "found" this supposed problem, until now. I think this idea is a non-problem.

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Use only citric acid? 17 May 2021 18:53 #69027

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But what about the issue that only 50% of the NaClO2 is used?

"What is more delicate is that 50% of the NaClO2 will NOT react and will enter "raw" into the organism."

And of the oxidative power

"Another scientist, Sergio Pereira, Swiss, made a report of having found in solutions prepared with hydrochloric acid, contrasted with those prepared with citric acid, a lower oxidizing power."

 

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Use only citric acid? 18 May 2021 06:27 #69033

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When making CDS, the 'average' conversion efficiency of MMS to CLO2 is about 45%. Using the new Quick CDS method, with certain combinations of containers, I have measured up to 72% efficiency. 

The original CDH method is about 53% when made. There is about 50% residual MMS that may produce more CLO2 in stomach acid. No way to measure that. 

MMS1 when made, is about 10% efficient. MMS1 has a lot of residual MMS that may be activated in stomach acid. Jim intends for unactivated MMS to enter the body, expecting it to be activated wherever it travels. With so many positive testimonials for many years, it seems to work. 

If you don't want any residual MMS in your body, then use CDS, because it is only CLO2 gas in a water solution. 

Now, what was your concern about "only 50% of the NaClO2 is used"

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Use only citric acid? 19 May 2021 16:46 #69048

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and "the antidote" can only be with HCl?
It happens that in my country the sale of HCl is forbidden because some drug dealers use it for their illegalities. The only thing that is available is citric acid.

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Use only citric acid? 19 May 2021 18:48 #69049

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You can use citric acid. It is a slower activator, so activation can take longer. Which CLO2 solution will you be making? MMS1, CDS or CDH? 

Can you buy muriatic acid from a local hardware store or lumber yard? It is used to clean concrete, etc. Ceramic tile setters use it. Muriatic acid is HCL with some impurities. You have to dilute it down to 4%.

What Is Muriatic Acid?

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Use only citric acid? 22 May 2021 00:12 #69069

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1) I think that muriatic acid should be used for cds, I wouldn't use it for mms or cdh because of those impurities.

2) Whichever it is, mms1, cdh or the antidote, in those forms will I always have some sodium chlorite left over floating in the solution?

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