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Not sure about it all, if someone knows exactly how to use the honey metohd please let me know.
Thanks!

JB13 wrote:

Still I puzzle over Malaria.
full external activation is not clearing the issue...

Yes, me too. We do not know how much CDS was administered, which may be key to understanding why the malaria parasite was not killed. We also do not know how strong the CDS was, etc, etc.

Malaria testing needs to continue with CDS and CDH. Need to bug Leo again! I'll do that today.

Remember, when they tried to cure malaria with CDS they thought that 1ml of CDS at 3000 ppm was equal to 3 drops of MMS. Consequently, they probably used about 6ml of CDS at 3000 ppm per person, thinking that it was the equivalent of 18 drops of MMS.

In reality though, 6ml of CDS at 3000 ppm contains 18.0mg of CLO2 and is about the equivalent of taking 2.7 drops of fully activated MMS:


So no wonder it didn't work to cure malaria.

I think that if they used about 20 to 30ml of CDS they would have been able to cure the malaria.

Just some food for thought

Take care,
Scott

“Progress is not an illusion; it happens, but it is slow and invariably disappointing.”
― George Orwell

I think that if they used about 20 to 30ml of CDS they would have been able to cure the malaria.

Scott, using Tomas' 6.7mg CLO2 per drop of SC, I get this:

Leo used 18 drop MMS doses to 100% cure malaria in Uganda. So, 18 drops x 6.7mg = 121mg maximum theoretically possible amount of CLO2.

If CDS was used, that would be 121mg / 3mg per ml = 40ml of 3000ppm CDS needed.
If CDH was used, that would be 121mg / 3.75mg per ml = 32ml of 3800ppm CDH needed.

Now, I doubt an 18 drop dose of MMS would produce 121mg of CLO2, so lets say it was 75% of 121mg = 90mg CLO2.

CDS = 30ml needed. (1000ml of 3000ppm solution = 3000mg CLO2)
CDH = 24ml needed. (240ml of 3800ppm solution = 912mg CLO2) (1 or 2 bottle method)
CDH = 2ml needed. (30ml of 44,000ppm solution = 1320mg CLO2) (capsule method)

Using the CDH Capsule Method making 30ml at a time would provide 15 anti-malaria doses. That solution could easily be made on site in about 15 minutes without any cooling as that probably would not be available. When I opened a 30ml bottle of CDH Capsule Method solution at 15 minutes in a 70F room, it was like opening a bottle of Champagne. So, you might only get 14 doses instead of 15.

Thank you both
I think we now can understand why CDS may not have cured the Malaria, Human Error....

That said...
I see capsule method is becoming more talked about and adopted by MMS users as a way to avoid the taste of MMS, especially when activated with CA.

so..............
For those who prefer a pill solution

Rev wrote:

Instead of open air activation I use a dropper bottle to activate in with top on.
I now suggest we simply place the drops IN the capsule, and let MMS/CDH activate IN capsule. Yes, I am suggesting we just use the capsule when doing individual doses. For those wanting a day dose handy, CDH-12.
We know it takes 150 seconds for cap to dissolve and we are looking for 60 second activation. BINGO!
Now we have CDH in capsules and ZERO taste.
As to pressure building.
I would expect the capsule to come apart, separate the two halves if pressure built.

Jim H suggests adding water to stabilize and fill capsules.
I don't, but you can.
What I do, is knowing the caps hold 15 drops
in 30 ml mixer bottle w/dropper top
I add 5 MMS 5 AC wait add 5 DMSO fill cap and swallow with water.
The protocol is 3 drops dose with 1 drop DMSO.
DMSO reduces ppm of MMS some but I do not know by how much.

Hi Rey - activating in the capsule, like you suggest, is interesting. That's what I've been doing for my daily maintenance doses. But aren't you just making MMSA? I thought the longer, slower activation time was needed to make CDH and eliminate the digestive problems that MMSA causes.

Your capsules are great for people wanting to avoid the taste but I think it's MMSA.

Hi Larry
MMS activated in a non vented way is if I understand correctly, CDH.
When MMS is activated in a closed environment, we get CDH.
A Capsule is a closed environment and we get a minimum of 60 seconds activation, 60 being the peak on the ACtivation graph.

So yes, very simply activating MMS the regular way, but in an enclosed environment where activation time is about double the recommended time.
Gel cap takes 120 seconds + to melt.
Scott has indicated that 10 minutes activation is all that is required for a daily CDH-12 dose. Not sure why this is called 12.... but that would be 1 ml (aka 1/4 tsp or 24 drops) MMS, 1 Ml AC giving 2 ml or 48 drops total equal to a 24 drop daily dose if I understand what I am thinking...

Anyway Larry
Before I came online again in January I had no idea about CDH. PAMMS was new when I left last year so yes, for me, it is simply activation of MMS in a gel capsule.
In an effort to make things simple now with MMS1 MMS MMSA MMSU CDS CDH....I am trying to keep terms understandable....
I know this becomes more convoluted as we go but....I am hoping to bring simplicity, ease, comfort and a better overall image to MMS by providing a taste free vehicle much as Scott and others endeavored.
Taste has been a big issue overall, so eliminating taste issue has been on several minds. HCl reduces taste and CDH was what came out of that thought process. I needed to adapt CDH and capsules to keep things simple as possible...
Had it not been for CDH, I would simply be saying MMS but as we activated in an enclosed manner, I think we have CDH.

Scott or JB will fill in technical data soon.


we could put 8 drops water in gelcap, add 3 drops MMS and 3AC , assemble cap and swallow with water.
That is enclosed activation and added to water just as CDH is.

Nausea may be related to CA and not HCl activation is what I am trying to determine
as some get sick from no activator, just intaking MMS itself I have heard so...
much left to learn

Hi Ray,
Just 2 things (I think).

First, the reason why I call it CDH-12 is because each ml of Jim's capsule method "Hot Sauce" contains 12 pre-activated drops of SC (sodium chlorite) (and also 12 drops of HCl). Regular CDH contains just 1 pre-activated drop and that's why I call that CDH-1 (and it also contains just 1 drop of 4% HCl). So CDH-12 is shorthand for saying, "capsule method CDH", and it also explains what's inside each ml.

Next, actually the reason why I came up with this idea in the first place was because I thought that the main reason why people were having stomach problems was because the SC wasn't activated for a long enough period of time. So because of that thinking, I tried activating overnight and found that both my wife and myself no longer had any stomach problems.

It wasn't until later that with Charlotte's help, that we started trying HCl, and then found that the taste also improved.

Just wanted to clear that up because I personally still think the best thing about CDH is the fact that it's much easier on people's stomachs. This enables them to take more CDH if needed and allows them to stick with it for a much longer period of time and until they are well.

And now with the capsule approach that you're recommending, and the ability to add stevia, we have taken away 2 big obstacles to taking MMS. The last obstacle is the propaganda/brainwashing of big pharma and Jim is tackling that one with the AMH Fundly program to once and for all prove that MMS cures malaria.

Keep up the good work of helping people on the forum, it's much appreciated.

May we all be well,
Scott

Ray said:

Had it not been for CDH, I would simply be saying MMS but as we activated in an enclosed manner, I think we have CDH.

Ray, CDH is different from classic MMS because of the much longer activation time, not because of activating in a closed container. CDS is activated in a closed container, when using the overnight method. It makes sense to conserve CLO2 gas when activating SC no matter what the end product is called.

Thank You Scott.
SC causes nausea,
CA causes nausea
yet I want to experiment..
So have you found any difference in upset stomachs with CDH between CA and HCl?
I did not realize stomach issue was your primary motive. That Charlotte brought about the better taste/ less taste HCl method.

I have enjoyed this portion of MMS, getting this taste issue worked out.
and now the next elephant in the room...

I have been holding this comment...
The critics...
When they hear we are activating "Bleach" with Hydrochloric Acid....
oh my...

MMS is not for everyone.


Thanks JB
So longer (enclosed external) activation with all ingredients present = CDH
where-as CDS (not always longer) enclosed ACtivation w/o all ingredients present

Larry
I think we have MMS1A....