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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 07 Dec 2023 15:05 #80654

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Hi! I have all of the books by Jim and A. Klacker. I know Jim has a whole chapter on Animals. But I need some guidance. I'm a bit overwhelmed and confused. My 7 year old indoor cat, always fed homemade raw food, seemingly very healthy, has been diagnosed with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma. The vet basically said, "I'm sorry." It's very aggressive. I personally know of about a dozen cats who have died from it and it's a horrible death for the cat and owner. I have been giving my cat Panacur three days a week and turkey tail mushroom daily in his food as it was better than doing nothing and it was suggested it could help him a bit. I am also using one drop of CBD oil in his ears for discomfort.
I really feel I need to try everything I can and I would like to begin treating him with MMS. I understand I should start with the Starting Procedure and then move to Protocol 1000, 1000+, 2000, 3000. But how long do I use each Protocol and how long is the Starting Procedure? Jim gives the increase in dosage for the starting procedure but I don't know when to proceed to the next level. I will not be able to determine "improvement" in my cat's case. I can certainly see he is getting worse in the last two weeks. I am not expecting miracles but I need to try this on him. He means the world to me. 

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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 07 Dec 2023 20:42 #80655

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My answer is more a testimony rather than an advice.
My cat had something close to an oral squamous cell carcinoma.in late december 2022 out of the blue a big lump appeared on the right side of my cat’s face.After checking his mouth I saw blood swelling under the upper molar.He was operated by the vet thinking of dental infection.

Molar was removed and infection treated.He said to me that he also saw a white mass calling it a fistula that had not to be there.All was ok until early march 2023 when exact samed thing happened. Back to vet who removed the last teeth of the area to be sure it was not a dental problem.

End of march a new lump appeared. This time the vet said we will let him without operation because he had two anesthesia in short period. Wait until the lump burst by himself applying warm water to help.
One day later the skin broke to evacuate blood and pus.

From there I started many things on my own because I knew my vet won’t be and help.First I gave him for 3 weeks colloidal silver 20 ppm 4ml twice a day with a syringe.
After that I switched to CDS. I started with 4 drops increasing to 12 drops dissolved in 5ml of water.12 drops of cds for a 13 lbs cat is about 3 ml for 150 lbs humanI tried that 4 times a days in a syringe. Hopefully that was quite easy with this cat, I know it can be tricky with some. I sometimes added 3 drops of DMSO.

Of course this should be given to the cat away from food (1hour).
I alternated CDS and colloidal silver for weeks.My cat has lasted like that until late september.

The problem didn’t disappeared.
I chose to put him down because he had lost energy, was bleeding from the mouth sometimes ans had lost much weight.
He lost a lot of weight despite eating very well until the end.

No conclusion can be taken from my case of course.
I don’t know if it was the best treatment but that’s I did.

My cat was quite old. your’s is only 7 years which is 45 years to human age. I hope you will be able to help him !   

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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 07 Dec 2023 23:03 #80657

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Oh, that was definitely not what I was hoping to hear. I am so sorry this happened to your cat. The vets don't give any hope for any cat with SCC but I can't let him just go downhill without trying to help in any way I can. I know this is not an exact science with animals but I am looking for information that will offer me and him, the best chance he may have. Thank you. 

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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 08 Dec 2023 02:00 #80658

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Some parts of Jim's book are not very clear.

He doesn't repeat the Starting Procedure in the Animal chapter,
so you have to know it from the earlier human part of the book.
Which should be Chapter 6.

So it's a 4-day starting procedure using the 3 value amounts
in column 1 "SP" based on your cat's weight.

This should introduce them well to the detoxification process
and reduce the chances of them experiencing an Herxheimer Reaction.

If your cat is on the cusp of the weights, like 8 pounds, so rows 6 to 8 and 8 to 12,
you have to decide which chart-row to use.
I would use the lower chart-row, and then over time (?),
maybe switch to the next row values.

Again, you have to look at the human Protocol 1000 procedure for
how to use the 3 values in the P1000 column. (which is also in Ch 6)

So say the weight is 7.5 pounds, so SP is 3.5 – 7 – 10.5  d-C2,
or that many DROPS from the CUP 2 mixture, which is
8 drops MMS1 dose in 4 oz (120 ml -- 1/2 cup) STEAM Distilled water.
(you don't use actual "drops of MMS" except for heavy animals)

And then P1000 is 1.0 – 2.0 – 3.0  ml-C2,
or that many MILLILITERS from CUP 2.

After 2 days you would start using DMSO for P1000+.
You add the DMSO to the CUPS in drops.
(not direct drops to the animal, or the liquid dose you are giving them)

This will cause the mixed MMS to degrade, so you
have to re-mix every time. (it MIGHT be okay to use it
for a second dose -- JH says make it fresh every third hour)

For animals, JH gives a Protocol 2000 using P1000+ MMS
rather than MMS2. He doesn't make it real clear when to switch
to P2000, but probably as fast as you can, maybe week 2?
He could be clearer with that. You're just supposed to work up
to the P2000 values "over time", trying to gauge your animal's
reaction to the treatment, which is difficult.

We can only do the best we can. You could give your cat some water
with a syringe, but I was always afraid to associate that, which they
usually do not like, with the MMS treatment, so I didn't want to do that.
I figured the broth was good enough and it worked for me and my cat.

And you keep doing this until you get Health Restoration.

He does talk about using MMS2 for animals, which is tricky.
Since MMS2 is for "Advanced Illness" (used to the the Cancer Protocol),
it might be necessary for egregious illness.
So you would have to pill your cat like with people.
He gives the MAXIMUM amount of Calcium Hypochlorite to use in Chart 2.
So you have to start out with maybe 1/4 or 1/8 of that and work your way up.
See the human chapter-section about MMS2.

It depends on how aggressive you want to get with the treatment.

He also says "give the animal whatever amount of water the animal
would normally drink". You can't get any more unclear than that,
but he and they and we can only do what we can do.

I only put the drops in about 2 or 3 tablespoons of Organic Chicken Broth
for my cat to cover the taste and smell. That may or may not work for
all animals. He almost always just licked it up. But, if I put too much in,
he would balk at drinking it. Luckily, the smaller amounts I gave him
worked for his health issues as long-term maintenance.

I didn't want to force the liquid down him, because that is very stressful
for a cat (and the person). So his FIV was never cleared up, it just kept him fairly healthy
for a few years, and I was happy with that. It worked better than antibiotics.

Later he developed Late Stage Renal Failure, but he was near 20 years old,
so I decided to let him go, because he was probably pretty near his
normal life span.

You can see his story on my website, link below, under My Story.

I also have a link under the products I use page for where to purchase
24,000 ppm CDS, which is drop-for-drop compatible with MMS,
except stronger because it is fully activated, and MIGHT be better for use
for animals. (less stomach upset issues, etc. ??)
You could try alternating using mixed MMS and this CDS, or
other CDS and do the equivalent amounts calculations. (X ml = 1 drop)

You can also put just SCS without the acid activator in their water
and it will give them additional ClO2 mixed in their stomachs using
the HCl they use to digest their food.
Since SCS is just a salt solution, theoretically they can't taste it or smell it.
But you should probably have treated and clean water just in case.
(in non-metal bowls -- ideally glass or ceramic, or hard plastic)

Someone attached a PDF that explains that in a way that I felt
comfortable with, so that's what I would do. I never did.
Here is a link to it on my website:

www.aspoonfulofmedicine.com/docs/pdf/Protocols_Sodium_Chlorite_Cats_Dogs_JC_Rev_3_Final_17may23_en.pdf

I hope this is clear and helps you and your cat out.
 
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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 08 Dec 2023 16:05 #80663

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Thank you so much for all of the time and thought in your reply. I really appreciate it. I feel I only have one shot at this and I want to make the best of it while balancing how much stress this will create for my cat, who is very sensitive to even loud voices, making it even more difficult to treat him without undue stress. Yesterday I was squirting the doses into his mouth, and though it was literally only drops from the cup mixture, he would try to run and hide from me each time as if it was torture and he was good at making sure his tongue did not allow any of the drops of liquid down his throat. At the end of the day I was giving him diluted, but unactivated Part A. He seemed to mind that less. At the end of the day, I put the unactivated, but diluted (per Jim's starting procedure chart) onto his food and he didn't seem to notice. This morning, I did the same. I just don't know if it has the desired effect mixed into his food. I will try, the rest of today, going back to the activated drops into his mouth directly. I don't have my heart set on curing this cancer. I don't believe it would be worth the sheer torture to him to try to accomplish that when it's probably not a reality. What I think I would be happy to achieve, would be for him to be feeling good or as good as he can for whatever time he has, and if, in the meantime, it has a positive effect on his cancer, that would be a bonus. Yesterday for most of the day, he seemed to be almost like his normal self. If I can achieve only this result, rather than hoping for a cure, I think it will work best for me emotionally, as well as for my cat. He had been exhibiting signs of discomfort and had a lot of congestion which seems to have subsided a lot, just in one day. 
Again, thank you so much. In these circumstances, we can all appreciate any and all tips, tricks, and support that is offered! 
 

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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 08 Dec 2023 22:02 #80666

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Hi. I wanted to follow up a bit more. My cat won't touch any broth (I never had a cat who would, oddly) and he has never been a water drinker (he has always been given a homemade raw diet which I am told supplies him with all the water he needs, so I have been using the diluted but unactivated Chlorine Dioxide directly to a tiny bit of food each hour or so and he doesn't seem to notice it. I am hoping it will activate in his stomach. I actually give more than what they advise for direct oral administration so I can be sure these tiny amounts are disbursed onto the plate instead of him ingesting it. He seems to almost lick the plate. I have not noticed any negative reaction and he seems calm and not distressed as he was prior to beginning the administration of the CD.
My cat begs for cream (half and half) every day, and in the past if he were to need any type of medication, I would simply mix it into his cream and he would lap it up. I wonder if the cream would affect the CD? If I were to buy the test strips, would that tell me if the food or cream was negatively impacting the CD? I read the description on Amazon's website and it seemed they were mostly used for CDS. I don't foresee ever being able to put any capsules down his throat. His tumor is on the left of his tongue at the entrance to his throat. I'm surprised he is able to swallow food as well as he does. I am walking a tightrope here, just trying to do the best I can for him without causing him a lot of stress which would make him miserable. I spent the last two weeks crying and feeling so lost and helpless. At least now that I am actively doing something which can benefit him, it makes us both feel better. 
This cat is so intelligent and so demonstrative and loving. I cannot imagine how I will be without him and I have only had him with me inside for four years. He was feral and I fed him outside for a few years until I was able to trap him and bring him in. It took him nine months once inside, to trust me enough to come out of the room where he chose to live. One night, he walked into the bedroom and jumped into bed. He began sleeping butted right up to me and even under the covers with his head on my pillow. He is so special. 

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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 28 Feb 2024 20:09 #81647

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Hello there :)  Do you have an update on your kitty? Did you end up doing any of the protocols in full?  My 18 year old Trixie was just diagnosed today. I'd love to know how things have gone for you these last few months <3

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I'm glad you're figuring stuff out for your cat.
It sounds like a good idea to me.
I hope it works.

If you can see a tumor, or know where it is, you can spray it
with the ClO2 solution (I think CDS would be best) and then DMSO.
So kind of a Protocol 1000+ spray method.
Small dark brown or blue glass bottles with pumps on top should work.
I would probably be a little aggressive with the treatment as long as
it doesn't freak out that cat too much.

I don't know if there are different kinds of ClO2 test strips.
I link to Amazon where I get mine on my website. (link below).
They will tell you if the cream negatively affects the ClO2.

You should mix a STEAM DISTILLED batch of 3 drops in 4 oz.
Then do it with 4 oz. of cream, and compare the color.
The test strips aren't particularly accurate, but it should give you an idea.

You could also try Cat Sips (?) brand cat milk.
Cats tend to love milk and cream, but they are basically "allergic" to it,
and it tends to give them diarrhea.
They take the bad stuff out of the Cat Sips.

Keep trying.

The diet you feed him/her is probably a good idea, too.
I never did do that with my cat.
 
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Cat with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma 28 Feb 2024 20:38 #81651

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Hi.  I lost my cat to this disease on Feb 9. In the end, my three months of hourly MMS and DMSO did nothing to help him. It may have made him feel as good as he could during this time. He never lost his appetite or lost any weight and he never had any bad smells. But he had constant issues with bloody mucous. Lots of it, which was constant. His tongue was hanging out of his mouth the last two months. But I have no regrets. He only suffered the last 18 hours until I could get him to the vet. 
Be realistic. People have spent tens of thousands to try to beat this cancer. I had hope to the very end. The veterinary community has no answers on the cause or the cure. So sad. To me it was the worst three months of my life. I never left him since we had the hourly dosage and this disease ruined Thanksgiving, my wedding anniversary, Christmas, New Years. my husband’s birthday and my birthday. And in the end we lost the fight.
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