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Hi,

Is there any interaction between 70% DMSO and 3000ppm CDS if they are mixed together in advance to apply as spray? What is the chemistry behind DMSO and CDS interaction?

I am not asking AI generated answer, but from anyone who is well acquainted with inorganic chemistry! Appreciate that.

tokary wrote:

Hi,

Is there any interaction between 70% DMSO and 3000ppm CDS if they are mixed together in advance to apply as spray? What is the chemistry behind DMSO and CDS interaction?

I am not asking AI generated answer, but from anyone who is well acquainted with inorganic chemistry! Appreciate that.

Apparently you have not read Andreas Kalcker's 2018 book, or Jim Humble's books. CDS and MMS1 both produce CLO2. 

If you visit AK's website, you can download his protocols. Jim's protocols are in his books.

@CLO2, I did go through the references you have provided which contradicts with the document at www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/cancer_cd_protocol_R._Webster_Kehr.pdf and in web.archive.org/web/20161021003533/http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/DMSO_CD.html

Actually I am expecting a reply from someone in the forum or their friends who is well versed in chemistry about the interaction of DMSO with ClO2 for scientific validation, to be specific.

Thanks.

tokary wrote:

@CLO2, I did go through the references you have provided which contradicts with the document at www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/cancer_cd_protocol_R._Webster_Kehr.pdf and in web.archive.org/web/20161021003533/http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/DMSO_CD.html

Actually I am expecting a reply from someone in the forum or their friends who is well versed in chemistry about the interaction of DMSO with ClO2 for scientific validation, to be specific.

Thanks. 

You are referring to a very old Webster Kerr document on my website that I had forgotten about. If you plan to follow his protocol, that is fine, but this forum is mainly for users of MMS1 and MMS2.

We do use DMSO with MMS1 and have for years with no problems.

Basically, you seem to be concerned about using DMSO with CLO2. What is your concern? Can you tell us? Thanks. 

By the way, 100% DMSO does not reduce CLO2 concentration in CDS, testing has shown. We use undiluted DMSO for ingestion and 70% diluted (or less) DMSO for topical use. 

CLO2 wrote:

tokary wrote:

@CLO2, I did go through the references you have provided which contradicts with the document at www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/cancer_cd_protocol_R._Webster_Kehr.pdf and in web.archive.org/web/20161021003533/http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/DMSO_CD.html

Actually I am expecting a reply from someone in the forum or their friends who is well versed in chemistry about the interaction of DMSO with ClO2 for scientific validation, to be specific.

Thanks. 

You are referring to a very old Webster Kerr document on my website that I had forgotten about. If you plan to follow his protocol, that is fine, but this forum is mainly for users of MMS1 and MMS2.

Do you mean that Webster Kerr's method is obsolete?


We do use DMSO with MMS1 and have for years with no problems.

Basically you seem to be concerned about using DMSO with CLO2. What is your concern? Can you tell us? Thanks.

If DMSO is added up together with ClO2 in advance to make a cotton patch to apply later, will there be any interaction that either of them that brings their effectiveness null and void? I am trying to figure out the chemical interaction between mixed DMSO and ClO2!

By the way, 100% DMSO does not reduce CLO2 concentration in CDS, testing has shown.

Would you mind sharing any reference to above? Appreciate that.

We use undiluted DMSO for ingestion and 70% diluted (or less) DMSO for topical use.

Thanks.
 

tokary wrote:

CLO2 wrote:

tokary wrote:

@CLO2, I did go through the references you have provided which contradicts with the document at www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/cancer_cd_protocol_R._Webster_Kehr.pdf and in web.archive.org/web/20161021003533/http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/DMSO_CD.html

Actually I am expecting a reply from someone in the forum or their friends who is well versed in chemistry about the interaction of DMSO with ClO2 for scientific validation, to be specific.

Thanks. 

You are referring to a very old Webster Kerr document on my website that I had forgotten about. If you plan to follow his protocol, that is fine, but this forum is mainly for users of MMS1 and MMS2.

Do you mean that Webster Kerr's method is obsolete? If it works, then it isn't obsolete. 


We do use DMSO with MMS1 and have for years with no problems.

Basically you seem to be concerned about using DMSO with CLO2. What is your concern? Can you tell us? Thanks.

If DMSO is added up together with ClO2 in advance to make a cotton patch to apply later, will there be any interaction that either of them that brings their effectiveness null and void? I am trying to figure out the chemical interaction between mixed DMSO and ClO2!

By the way, 100% DMSO does not reduce CLO2 concentration in CDS, testing has shown.

Would you mind sharing any reference to above? Appreciate that. Attached is one of my tests. I will have to look for the other one, but the result was the same. Similar testing was done by some folks in Bulgaria with the same results. 

We use undiluted DMSO for ingestion and 70% diluted (or less) DMSO for topical use.

Thanks.




 

Tokary, I had to delete your last post due to that huge pink PNG file you attached. 

Here is your text message from that post: 

"According to scientific literature (Nicolet, B. H., & Bender, J. A. (1927). Some Reactions of Dimethyl Sulfoxide. Journal of the American Chemical Society, 49(2), 588-590), the interaction of ClO2 and DMSO looks like:

(CH3)2SO + ClO2 → (CH3)2SO2 + ClO2-

The interaction above produces primary product Dimethyl Sulfone (DMSO2) and major by-products Chlorite (ClO2-), Chloride (Cl-), Chlorate (ClO3-) where chlorate is hazardous to health, if not chlorite and chloride (Boatman, R. J., Gordon, G., & Mendenhall, G. D. (1986). Kinetics and mechanism of the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide by chlorine dioxide in aqueous solution. Environmental Science & Technology, 20(12), 1261-1265.  doi.org/10.1021/es00154a008 )

I do not know the kind of the meter you are using in the picture in the pdf above (love to know), yet I guess the meter may be measuring all Chlorite (ClO2-), Chloride (Cl-), Chlorate (ClO3-) formed, not only ClO2.

That is the reason I am asking the stability and decomposition part to be specific.  Thanks.

CLO2, it seems to me that there is some issues with the forum software, I guess. Time to move to a modern BB (bulletin board) software!?

CLO2 wrote:

Tokary, I had to delete your last post due to that huge pink PNG file you attached. 

Here is your text message from that post: 

"According to scientific literature (Nicolet, B. H., & Bender, J. A. (1927). Some Reactions of Dimethyl Sulfoxide. Journal of the American Chemical Society, 49(2), 588-590), the interaction of ClO2 and DMSO looks like:

(CH3)2SO + ClO2 → (CH3)2SO2 + ClO2-

The interaction above produces primary product Dimethyl Sulfone (DMSO2) and major by-products Chlorite (ClO2-), Chloride (Cl-), Chlorate (ClO3-) where chlorate is hazardous to health, if not chlorite and chloride (Boatman, R. J., Gordon, G., & Mendenhall, G. D. (1986). Kinetics and mechanism of the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide by chlorine dioxide in aqueous solution. Environmental Science & Technology, 20(12), 1261-1265.  doi.org/10.1021/es00154a008 )

I do not know the kind of the meter you are using in the picture in the pdf above (love to know), yet I guess the meter may be measuring all Chlorite (ClO2-), Chloride (Cl-), Chlorate (ClO3-) formed, not only ClO2. That photometer is made by Sensafe.com and is model Chlorine+ eXact EZ. It can measure lot of things including CLO2. Two reagents are needed for a CLO2 ppm measurement. One of the reagents eliminates any free chlorine that may be present in the CLO2 water solution. 

That is the reason I am asking the stability and decomposition part to be specific.  Thanks. 

My last word on this DMSO + CLO2 discussion is that the MMS and CDS communities have been using the two together for years with no problems, as long as proper protocols are followed. You could mix the two for spraying in a small spray bottle and use it up in a short time. Make a new batch when the time comes for more spraying. 

I think you are worrying about a non-issue. You do not have to use DMSO with CLO2 if you are concerned about the two combined. End of discussion.