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MMS and Vitamin B12 14 Nov 2013 01:49 #37384

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The issue is not the production, but the fact that the part of the stomach where intrinsic factor is produced is completely bypassed. 36% may not MAKE intrinsic factor, but if they have the Roux n Y bypass, 100% have no access to any they may make. People who have the duodenal switch (or DS) or the sleeve or some of the other less known surgeries may have access to their IF. Even if I make it, I have no access to it.

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MMS and Vitamin B12 14 Nov 2013 02:02 #37385

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I would wonder if you had your b12 levels tested after surgery pam? to detect a deficiency?

(were they heading for the basement post surgery?)

anyway, many years ago, I was researching a supplement known as DMSO (they use it here)

and the stuff I saw said that there was a limit, to how big of a molecule DMSO could push through the skin (transdermally)

the limit (going off memory) was around 800 with DMSO

here, we see without DMSO, anything above 500 molecular weight (Dalton) cannot pass through the skin
(500 Dalton rule for skin )
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10839713

now, B12 has a molecular weight of over 1300,

Cyanocobalamin

Chemical Compound

Cyanocobalamin is the most common and widely produced of the chemical compounds that have vitamin activity as vitamin B12. Vitamin B12 is the "generic descriptor" name for any of such vitamers of vitamin B12. Wikipedia

Formula: C63H89CoN14O14P

Molar mass: 1,356.373 g/mol

May treat: Pernicious anemia, Multiple sclerosis, Diabetic nerve damage, Alcoholic polyneuropathy

May prevent: Vitamin B 12 Deficiency

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MMS and Vitamin B12 14 Nov 2013 02:05 #37386

rb1968 Offline Premium Member Posts: 87 Thank you received: 50	I want to say, I am not trying to discredit anyone here, I am glad you are all feeling better with oral b12, I have my doubts on how it is entering your body, is all.... as long as it is working, and you are happy.... so much the better...
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MMS and Vitamin B12 14 Nov 2013 14:55 #37391

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I had my B12 levels tested (along with massive other bloodwork) 2x a year for the first 7 years after my surgery and have them tested now, once yearly. (The first year after surgery, I had quarterly bloodwork). I had my b12 level tested prior to surgery, so I would have a baseline. I have kept all of that in a file folder, so that I can track

It's amazing, sometimes, how much we want to believe certain theories and will hold onto them, even when faced with clinical evidence to the contrary.

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MMS and Vitamin B12 14 Nov 2013 17:03 #37392

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pam wrote:
I had my B12 levels tested (along with massive other bloodwork) 2x a year for the first 7 years after my surgery and have them tested now, once yearly. (The first year after surgery, I had quarterly bloodwork). I had my b12 level tested prior to surgery, so I would have a baseline. I have kept all of that in a file folder, so that I can track

It's amazing, sometimes, how much we want to believe certain theories and will hold onto them, even when faced with clinical evidence to the contrary.

pam,
I am not doubting you,

and I am not married to my theory, its just molecular weight is an issue for permeability....

so the real question is as follows...

1. were you supplementing B12 before surgery (and had it tested), in what form?

2. after surgery, did you try an oral form of B12? or did you wait on supplementation....? (to see if levels dropped?)

(the guy below is about as honest and ethical as they come, he talks about B12 supplementation)

www.doctoryourself.com/nasal.html

"But there still is a physiological hurdle to cross.

Absorption of dietary B-12 takes place in the very last part of the small intestine, right before the colon. Absorption requires a biochemical helper molecule called “intrinsic factor,” which is a glycoprotein normally secreted by cells lining your stomach. Strong stomach hydrochloric acid is also required to split up this huge molecule. (That's why a weak acid like vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is harmless to B-12, persistent myths to the contrary).

Incidentally, even sublingual (under-the-tongue) B-12 supplements are probably ineffective because the cobalamin molecule is too large to diffuse through the mucosa of the mouth."

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MMS and Vitamin B12 26 Mar 2017 22:20 #55250

mcarthurpark Offline Junior Member Posts: 20 Thank you received: 4	Hello everyone My blood test says im seriously low in b12 Im not absorbing b12 from my food........ Will the liquid b12 (swallowed) absorb thru my stomach what brand are you using thank you very much
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