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HI, MY HORSE got sicker over a period of 3 weeks she needed to be stalled and she had mostly access to hay (what probably has been sprayed with poison ) She is very sick can not stand easy is laying down and her muscles are contracting and or loosing strength. I have been giving her cds started with 16 ml and dmso every hour for 11 hours and then left her for 8 hours and she was worse laying down cramped up eating but hardly drinking, She had bowel motions and we saw her urinating last night around 7 pm.
Vet has been called and painrelief does not have any effect but musle relaxation has but they were ready to put her down, but I insisted to give me and her more time.
I am increasing the CDS have been giving her now 35 ml and DMSO but not sure if that is the right thing to do. ANY ADVISE WHAT TO DO BETTER OR MORE OR???
Seeing she has difficutlies standing and keeping her balance I am in danger to be under her when she falls over so soaking or bagging her legs will be a difficult risky task.
Please help.
thanks Gaya

I'm going to see if I can find Denise and ask her to comment - I'm so sorry this is going on for you (and for your horse!)

Pam

From the MMS minister of health course I completed today

77. Q)Explain how to make an MMS dose for a 75pound animal.
A) 1 activated drop for every 25 pounds, 1 drop per 50 pounds of large animal

So to me this looks for each 25 lbs of horse you use 1 activated drop in drinking water however I also suggest using this formula and adding equivalent drops of dmso after activation period of 20 seconds and apply either with water orally or thru skin as a rub.
It is my understanding that CDS may not be as potent as MMS itself.
The formula from the course did not suggest how often.
Guessing that it means each hour.
Not a lotta help and somewhat confusing but is what I can offer at this time

Sorry I am late. Just got home. My most immediate response would be Bentonite clay. Ingested if the horse will eat grain. Put in water. It will be murky at first then settle to the bottom. That will be okay. I would feed the horse at least 1Tablespoon 2 times a day (put in grain). That is what I am doing with my guy right now with sarcoids. Bentonite clay is not like ordinary sand. It is very very fine and has intelligencd. It will absorb heavy metals and move it out of the system. Start with 1 Tablespoon 2 times daily. Make sure the horse drinks as much water as possible to prevent constipation. You may need to add salt to his grain at the same time. I added a nice heaping Tablespoon of salt at each graining so that my guy will drink. Do not put clay in water if the horse drinks out of a metal tub!!

The other major thing I would do is get to the health food store and get some Nux Vomica and Ipecac homeopathy remedies. I have had some real good success using these remedies. Get as strong as possible a strength. It is used for food poisoning.

Will submit this right away to the forum will look up more info tonight and add to this post as I find it.

I hope I am not to late to help you and your horse.

Please keep us abreast of what happens.

Sincerely,
Denise

Update: Activated Charcoal is also excellent for poisoning!
Feel free to private message me if you want.

Update: According to Natural Horse Care by Pat Coleby: VERY difficult to cure as cause is usually unknown. Suggested large and continuing doses of vitamin C, E and water-based A in tablet which can be crushed. About 60,000 units at a time. Zinc in some form, possibly seaweed meal, may effect relief.

Update: Herbs: Milk Thistle, Burdock and Dandelion to help cleanse the liver.
Homeopathy: Nat Sulph is very good for helping the liver and blood to cleanse.

Update: (This is a book for people not animals but may be of some help) From Therapeutic Herb Manual by Ed Smith: Liver Tonic: Blend of following liquid extracts:
Dandelion root, leaf & flower 20%
Oregon Grape root 20%
Milk Thistle seed 20%
Artichoke leaf & flower bud 15%
Schisandra berry 15%
Fennel seed 10%

Dose:
Mix 30 to 40 drops in water and take 2 times daily after meals.
Acute or severe chronic Mix 30 to 40 drops in water and take 3 or 4 tiems daily after meals. If nausea or hepatic pain results (which is rare), lower the number of drops and take with Fennel seed tea.

Hi Pam
thanks you I just got a Neurolink person in and did this work on my horse also the vet attended and gave pain and muslce relaxer. All seem to have an effect and she walking and we managed to get her into the stall. They now say that they think it is major burst of Laminitis??? I am not convinced but I will do what is needed for that, and am now thinking how to continue with CDS, DMSO etc.
I still think that the hay I gave had poison in it but I can be wrong who knows?
Hopefully we see an improvement over the next couple of days. She did not die and we have a chance!. Thank you for your support.

Hi!
I'm Denise. If you think now that it is laminitis, there is many herbs and homeopathy remedies that can help.
If interested let me know and I will research it and get back to you. You can also Google the info and probably find out a lot!

I hope your mare will be alright.

Sincerely,
Denise

If it is laminitis then please look at feeding Magnesium Chloride. We are having amazing results in Australia with Laminitis/Founder issues since implementing this to suspect, or horses already severely affected horses.See attachment for further info please.

This was a recent email received from a Barefoot Trimmer here In WA that I have the greatest respect for , she knows her stuff & what horses need. She thanks me, but in all honesty it is her work that is doing the most for our horses welfare. I hope this helps.
She says : Thought I'd better let you know that I'm packing up 300gm bags of Mag Chloride to get all the laminitis horses onto Mag Chloride immediately.
I have put the same instructions to dilute it as you have, so no one will be confused (I hope) when they get some from you. It is the best way to get Mag into a horse and I'm having really good results turning insulin resistant horses around including one owned by my Vet that is boarding with me.
I'm not interested in supplying minerals, I'd rather you did that. Its due to you that I have learned all about Mag Chloride and it is being used more and more in the Equine field even though there are no "scientific studies" yet.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers
Jacky - Tue 10/09/2013

All the best to you & your horse

Hi gaya, nice to see you're getting such good help. Thank you all. Marianne

Gaya is so horse-focused that the posts she meant to send to the forum were sent to me by email. Here's the first one:

On 10/10/2013 2:13 PM, Gaya - Gaya's Designs wrote:
> I hearth felt THANK YOU, I was getting cramps so is my husband and we are taking everyday mag chl so I was standing yesterday with the bottle in my hand to give her some but the Vet told me he covers everything with the injection.
> however we gave her some today seeing 80% of her symptons are excactly what is when they have deficiency.
> I will keep you informed of her situation but need to go now thankssss gaya


And here is the second, just received:
hi she is a bit better not sure what the reason is but her feet are more still and she definatly has no cramps anymore but that could be that she got her painrelief. I will know a bit more by late tonight seeing she get more restless when painrelief is wearing of.
I also did the dmso on her hoofs tummy musles etch at 2am and that seems to help aswell.
hoop for the best what a learning curve.
be in touch
gaya