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pam wrote:

It is hard to tell you what to do, or what we would do, because you're bouncing around a bit, going from one therapy to another, not doing any one to fully - like MMS. This is not helping you, I'm afraid. I imagine you have not even bought Jim's book to use as a reference.

Have you been doing the MMS1 enemas? And the MMS1 baths? the bag protocol? With cancer, Jim says to get as much MMS into the body as possible to tolerance. MMS2 works by providing the immune system with something it needs to fight disease - figuring that we have a compromised immune system to fight the disease. (the 2000 protocol is BOTH MMS2 and MMS2) -

I recognize that tumors all grow at different rates, and so on, because there are different kinds of cancers. Remaining blocked is not a good thing.

I'm trying to locate a video of a guy who also had colon cancer, and when I find it, I will put it here.

Hello Pam,

Thank you for your very accurate remarks. I am indeed "bouncing around a bit, going from one therapy to another.."

When I began with MMS I was very focused and fully intended to use only MMS as my sole treatment. My "bouncing around" began as a result of noticing my stools get thinner and thinner until now I evacuate only very small quantities of diarrhoea each time I sit on the toilet. Yesterday I must have gone 20 times or more.

Late in the afternoon I did do an MMS enema and not unusually, at around 11:30p.m I started to experience the customary pain. But this time it was much worse and I was in pain until about 4a.m.

I did wonder if this might be because the MMS enema was doing its work. I have experienced no pain at all so far today.

Yes I do have Jim's book but I have kind of become obsessed with looking for something that specifically deals with shrinking tumours. Hence the bouncing around.

Hi IBlieve,

Dealing with cancer and tumors is a tricky, difficult, highly individual thing. It seems to me you are fighting for your life and trying to do the best you can under hard circumstances. Thank you for your detailed reporting.

I do think that David's suggestions of bath and bag protocol could be very helpful for you. You absorb it through your skin and avoid having to go through the guts. I don't see any reason you can't do this along with the flax oil and cottage cheese. No one has said flax oil neutralizes doses. I'm still doing bag protocol every day and I would be doing baths every day if I had a tub.
genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=28&id=3054&Itemid=66 bag protocol
jimhumble.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21&Itemid=4 bath tub protocol
genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=8&id=1951&Itemid=66#3368 mms baths testimonials

I think you could also apply DMSO on top of flax oil that you put on your skin if you think that would help.

I do not have any experience with tumor shrinking but if I was in your shoes I would be trying things and carefully observing results just like you are doing.

Please do keep us informed,

Michael

Thank you very much for the links Michael. The bag protocol looks like an interesting experience. That would certainly remove the 'snacking - before - oral - dosing' problem. I will be giving it a go. I'll let you know how I get on.

You are exactly right when you say, "...you are fighting for your life and trying to do the best you can under hard circumstances."

Also, I live alone and have no support other than here on the forum. Don't get me wrong, I'm not wallowing in self pity, but the fact that I have to do everything for myself, can be a bit overwhelming sometimes.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post and put the info together.

All the best,

Mark

P.S. Just a second thought...

You say that you have no experience with tumor shrinking, but didn't I read a post somewhere in which you cured your dogs tumour?

Hi Mark.

Greetings.

There must be a cheaper juicer around in the UK, all you need is a normal stand up juicer.

£159.00 for a juicer is well above most people budget and I would not buy one for that price neither, find a cheap Chinese one:woohoo:

Or find a second hand one does not have to be new.

Just a thought perhaps the diarrhea is wastes and poisons coming out and as they are removed you get less and less diarrhea, I think the MMS is actually working even with the pain you are talking about.

Have heard that with cancer once you are on protocol 2000 say, you will heal and you get to a point where you have to come through a pain barrier for 2 or 3 days, you will actually go through pain to heal completely and think over these 2 or 3 days that you are going to die, but once you have gotten through these 3 odd days of bad pain and persist with the protocol you are forever healed after that.

No PAIN no GAIN......

I would suggest you get back on the protocol 2000, take it easier and slower if it is causing pain and other HEX experiences, reduce the doses, but persist and build up again to a level that you are comfortable with, I am sure you will see big improvements soon.

Thanks....

Hi Mark,

I don't really have direct experience with shrinking tumors, but I do know of some cases. I think there are two cases reported on the forum here about people shrinking tumors on dogs.

I do know of two ladies who have reversed terminal, late stage cancer. One of them was cervical cancer that did not have tumors and she mainly followed protocol 2000, with MMS1 and 2 and baths and douches multiple times a day. She always had to have some food in her stomach to get the doses down but she says she "came back from the dead" by doing this. It has been many months now, probably even a year and she is doing well the last I heard.

Another lady had terminal cancer with tumors. She started about 3.5 months ago now if I remember correctly on CDS and MMS2 (this is experimental and is not the recommended protocol). After a couple weeks she added the Indian Herb that Jim recommends. She has been taking high doses of CDS (1 teaspoon; 5ml) 12-14 hrs/day. She said it helped a lot with the pain she was having in the beginning. In one month's time she was much improved, tumors started shrinking and blood work was very improved according to the doctor, with lower viral loads. Saw the doctor again at 2.5 months and continued shrinking of tumors, she felt MUCH better, working full time, felt very good. Waiting to hear on her latest report. I may have this timeline a little incorrect, but this is the basic idea.

Terminal cancer is reversible, and both these women have worked hard at the regimen to accomplish this. It was not easy but they were willing to fight to live.

Edwin has an excellent report about shrinking a tumor here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=8&id=13907&Itemid=66#13936 .

Michael

Hello again, ZnzMagic,

Thank you for your input.

Hi Mark.

There must be a cheaper juicer around in the UK, all you need is a normal stand up juicer.

£159.00 for a juicer is well above most people budget and I would not buy one for that price neither, find a cheap Chinese one:woohoo:

Or find a second hand one does not have to be new.

Yes, I agree. There are cheaper machines around but after doing quite a lot of research into the various types, I came to understand the importance of getting a juicer that operates at a low enough speed to deliver juices that contain live enzymes. The importance of having live enzymes is something which cannot be understated.

The cheaper machines are usually centrifugal and they produce so much heat that the enzymes are killed. It is the masticating machines which keep them alive and these machines can be quite expensive.

I have looked for a second hand one on ebay and although they are there, I haven't yet found one that the seller is prepared to send by post. They have all been "Pick Up Only".

As I only have a bicycle for transport .... Well .... you get my point.

But I do understand the importance you place upon getting these juices into me and so I have decided to approach my ancient dad (90 years) to see if he would loan me the cash. But what needs to be understood here, is that my dad holds the world record for being tight - fisted.

I really see humour in this situation because, if he agrees, we will be like two gunslingers in a face-to-face showdown. You see... HE WILL WANT TO BE PAID BACK!!

So as we stand there with sweat on our brows and our hands quivvering over the butts of our guns - it's going to be a question of which one of us dies first.

I am pretty sure he will consider this. After all would you lend money to a dying man?


Now to your other points ...

Just a thought perhaps the diarrhea is wastes and poisons coming out and as they are removed you get less and less diarrhea, I think the MMS is actually working even with the pain you are talking about.

Again, I agree.

But I am not properly on the 2000 protocol at the moment and yet I still have pain and diarrhea. This, no doubt, is the body's natural way of trying to shift waste material while it deals with the problem of an incapacitated gut - due to the blockage I have spoken about.

I am still waiting for the arrival of the Calcium Bentonite Clay that Clint introduced me to in my other thread: Phantom Constipation ?

The properties of this material are really quite something. Not only is it an effective colon detox but because it is negatively charged, it has the effect of attracting to it all manner of nasties, including cancer causing pathogens. You can read more about it here.

I am hoping this will have a direct effect on my creaking intestines and help to open them up.

Have heard that with cancer once you are on protocol 2000 say, you will heal and you get to a point where you have to come through a pain barrier for 2 or 3 days, you will actually go through pain to heal completely and think over these 2 or 3 days that you are going to die, but once you have gotten through these 3 odd days of bad pain and persist with the protocol you are forever healed after that.

No PAIN no GAIN......

I would suggest you get back on the protocol 2000, take it easier and slower if it is causing pain and other HEX experiences, reduce the doses, but persist and build up again to a level that you are comfortable with, I am sure you will see big improvements soon.

I do know that you are sincerely trying to be helpful, dear friend, but it's Michael seems to have a more comprehensivel understanding of my predicament.

I cannot take the Chlorine Dioxide orally unless I eat something just before taking each dose. That means putting more food into my intestines and THAT only adds to the problem of my blockage.

But if I don't eat before taking a dose of Chlorine Dioxide, I throw it up within minutes - so I ask myself - what is the point of taking it in the first place?

The bag Protocol that Michael provided a link to, is something which seems to be a practical solution to the problem of getting MMS 1 inside me.

I feel sure that your faith in MMS is totally justified and as soon as I can reduce the intestinal blockage, I will go back to orally taking MMS, because the necessity to eat extra food, in order to stop me throwing up, will be less of a problem.

It is not the pain which is a deterent to me. I have been in varying degrees of pain for the past 5 months and I do not take any prescribed pain killers because I see them as being the start of the 'rocky road down'.

I do take a couple of paracetamol when absolutely necessary, but even these I try to keep away from. The pain is mainly caused by trapped gas which creates pressure on my hypersensitive intestine wall. The pain is always lessened when I manage to have a small bowel movement or have a good blow off

I do appreciate you taking an interest in my situation and yes, old chap - i am for real.

Hi Mark. Keep up the good work and please continue to keep us posted. We're all interested in your progress!

Mark, thanks for your reply and good to hear you are for real, makes it a pleasure to try and be of help.

Shrinking tumors is done by radiation, zap gone or by a laser knife, auch you better use your best gun slinging charm to get that juicer..... laughter is medicine.....

Here are links to tumor shrinking articles, DMSO and Aloa Vera seem interesting for example to be added to any other other suggestions below...

www.cancertutor.com/Other/ShrinkTumors.html

Two Tumor-Tackling Spices

Season liberally for anti-inflammatory benefits

Fresh ginger, or gingerroot, is a powerful anti-inflammatory that combats certain cancer cells and helps slow tumor growth. A ginger infusion can also alleviate nausea from chemotherapy or radiotherapy.

How to Use It: Add grated fresh ginger to a vegetable stir-fry or fruit salad. Or, make an infusion by slicing a 1-inch piece of ginger and steeping it in boiling water for 10 to 15 minutes; drink hot or cold.

Turmeric
Found in curry powder, this spice is the most powerful natural anti-inflammatory available today. It encourages cancer cell death, inhibits tumor growth, and even enhances the effectiveness of chemotherapy. Some research shows that turmeric is most effective in humans when it's mixed with black pepper and dissolved in oil (olive or canola, preferably). In store-bought curry mixes, turmeric represents only 20% of the total, so it's better to obtain ground turmeric directly from a spice shop.

How to Use It: Mix a teaspoon of turmeric powder with a teaspoon of olive oil and a generous pinch of ground black pepper and add to vegetables, soups, and salad dressings. Use a tablespoon if you already have cancer.

www.prevention.com/food/food-remedies/edible-healing-food-cures-cancer/two-tumor-tackling-spices

A ginger and turmeric tea or as a juice with MMS2....

Here is more info found on the web....

Anti-Inflammatory Agents

Tumors can only grow by surrounding themselves with an area of inflammation. Therefore, preventing inflammation is one of the most important aspects of cancer therapy. You can do this by using a wide range of anti-inflammatory agents while at the same time minimizing any inflammatory influences.

Suitable anti-inflammatory agents include alkalizers, aloe vera, bee pollen, bioflavonoids, blue light, cartilage (bovine and shark), chlorophyl (grass juice), dormins (soaked fenugreek), glucosamine, grape seed extract, linseed and fish oils, magnesium chloride, magnet (south-pointing pole), mussel extract (Lyprinol), Phenergan, propolis, rubidium or cesium salts, Schweitzer Formula, tea tree oil and vitamin B2. See the separate entries for these modalities. Anti-inflammatory herbs are bromelain, echinacea, ginger, golden seal, licorice, slippery elm and turmeric. A kerosene pack may be used to draw an internal inflammation to the outside to dissipate. Alkalizing the body is an effective anti-inflammatory remedy.

Use a combination of several or most of these agents. In any of these selections, I recommend to include blue light therapy of any cancerous or inflamed areas, best cover these with two layers of blue cellophane and expose to a strong light. This not only reduces inflammation but also any pain and stops cancer cells from dividing. Lyprinol, cartilage and glucosamine have the added advantage that they also strengthen the connective tissue around a tumor, while cartilage reduces its blood supply in addition. Keep this program up until the cancer has disappeared.

In addition to acidity, another nutritional factor with strong inflammatory effects is a high intake of phosphorus. Therefore, use mainly foods low in phosphorus, such as vegetables and fruits. Foods high in phosphorus are meat, yeast, fish and seeds such as legumes, nuts and whole grain products.

Minimize pro-inflammatory influences such as radiation or sunburn, oils high in omega-6 fatty acids (most commercial vegetable oils), sweeteners and sweet foods, cooked food and anything to which you are allergic or sensitive. Infections are strongly inflammatory; keep them under control with all available agents. Have frequent but mild sun exposure (without sun-screen) on the bare skin, and expose yourself to the sun fully clothed as much as you can without overheating.

ANTI-MICROBIAL THERAPY

Many of the mentioned anti-inflammatory agents have also anti-microbial effects. In addition, use a combination of the following measures: MMS, Lugol's solution, electronic zapper and magnetic pulser, garlic, kerosene, neem products, oxygen therapy, colloidal silver, parasite remedies, auto-therapy, and suitable herbs.

Initially or with active cancers and especially fast-growing tumors use MMS and repeated courses of Lugol’s solution, high doses of sweet wormwood (Artemisia annua), pau d’arco and olive leaf extract while possibly also using other remedies mentioned above. For details see the separate entries for these modalities.

In advanced conditions intravenous infusions of vitamin C can be very effective and may be used in addition to the bowel tolerance protocol of vitamin C. For professional information see www.doctoryourself.com and search for "vitamin C" +infusion +protocol.

www.health-science-spirit.com/cancer6-remedies.html

As you cannot keep MMS down on an empty stomach perhaps start very slow with MMS2 using the following honey technique, could also be used for some of those spices perhaps be inventive, thats what alternative medicine is all about, action....

The Honey Technique ...

... is for those who do not have capsules or who cannot take them. Try to get a jar of raw honey because if there is any added preservative, it won't work. Normally, they don't add preservatives, but who knows what they will do next and preservatives will cancel the value of the calcium hypochlorite. But if no raw honey is available, a good quality brand from a supermarket should be OK.

Be sure to check the label to see that no preservative or vitamin C has been added. Natural vitamin C already in the honey is not a problem. Honey doesn't need any preservative and it will last for years or even decades by itself, but many people who deal with honey do not understand that.

Put the honey in the refrigerator. It is absolutely necessary that the honey be at least as cold as a good refrigerator. Then measure out the correct amount of calcium hypochlorite for your bi-hourly dose and mix it into a very small amount of very cold honey about the same size as the pile of hypochlorite that you will take. Do not allow any water or moisture to mix in. Once you have mixed it, immediately put it on the front tip of a teaspoon and take it. Have a glass of water there to wash it down.

It must go down immediately as it will taste terrible when it begins to warm up.

Drink at least one glassful of water. If you do this right, there will be absolutely no problem and no taste.

Warning

Do not try to use honey at room temperature. It will not work because the honey will begin a reaction with the calcium hypochlorite immediately and the taste will keep you from getting it down your throat. If you do not have a refrigerator, buy some ice and put the honey jar in ice water. Or better still, put a small amount of honey in a plastic bag and put that in the ice water. It will get chilled much faster that way.

The honey must be cold when used.

The water is important. The 200 lb. person, 160 lb. person, and the 100 lb. person should drink at least 8 ounces of water with the honey and MMS2 dose. See above for the amount of water that should be taken with each dose.

For the procedure for babies, please see www.jimhumble.biz

Step 2. Procedure: Take MMS2 bi-hourly 12 hours a day for 3 weeks
Do not begin by taking the full amount as recommended above. Take 1/4 or less than recommended for starting off and within a day or two, increase the dose up to what is recommended above. Increase a little bi-hourly.

Hypochlorite always smells like chlorine, but it is not chlorine.

You may not have a lot of different sized gel capsules to choose from. But you can make size 00 gel capsules work by filling them with smaller amounts to fit the recommendations. Or you could get smaller size capsules and load them to fit the amount of MMS2 recommended. Or use the honey technique listed above.

Do Not Overdose

Do not make yourself or anyone else sick by using too much MMS2. You must be careful. From the very beginning, be wary about taking too much MMS2. Don’ t worry, no one has died, but some have felt sick for a few hours after taking too much.

If someone does feel sick, sicker than he already felt, the first thing to suspect is that he didn’t take enough water with the capsule(s). The water is important to prevent nausea and other reactions such as a stomach ache. Always drink more water if you start feeling nausea. Also suspect that he or she took too much MMS2 (calcium hypochlorite) and if the water does not immediately stop the nausea, then take less on the next bi-hourly dose. Try cutting the dose in half the next time.

If you still feel sick from taking half of the previous dose, cut the dose in half again. You may end up taking a very tiny dose, and you may have to take a tiny dose for a day or two or even a week. But keep at it without making yourself sick. If the small doses do not cause nausea or other discomfort, increase up to the full size dose in several steps as given in the doses above.

Normally do not go to larger doses than what are suggested above, as larger doses are not needed.


Hopefully you get yourself a juicer to supplement the MMS protocols as there are so many cancer fighting herbs and vegetables foods out there from red clover to cassava, natural foods that we do not even know about are out there with healing properties that we have only just touched the icebergs tip in the potential of herbs, spices and nutritional healing foods.

Try and get your body more alkaline than acid to help the MMS do its job, here is a good like to a lot more info in healing cancer naturally…

I think you have done enough research on that juicer you want to get including on healing methods but here is an extra interesting cancer healing info website that has alot of good factual info....

Papaya or do you call it pawpaw is supposed to be good for cancer and helps bowel movements.

Lastly here is an interesting link to cancer info...

www.healingcancernaturally.com/index.html

Lots of very useful information from ZnzMagic. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

The link to www.healingcancernaturally.com is going to take me on a fascinating journey. It was very thoughtful of you to point me in that direction.

Now, you remember me telling you about my old dad holding the world record for being tight - fisted? Well, his grip has loosened a little and although he wasn't exactly enthusiastic, he has agreed to lend me the money for the masticating juicer I require. So that's a turn up.

I have to stay alive now to pay him back, or he'll never forgive me.