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I do dog rescue; and, it's not unusual for dumpees to be heartworm positive. The treatment is not only outside of my ability to pay; but, hell for the dog to go through. Does anyone know if any of the versions of MMS would kill heartworms, without killing them off too quickly?

I currently use Ivermectin as a preventative; but, 1) it can't be used with herding breeds; and, 2) it won't do anything to later stage microfilaria (after 45 days) or adult heartworms. Going this route, it can take about 3 years for the adult worms to die off. This isn't acceptable to me; but, right now, it's my only option. If it would even kill just off the microfilaria, it would be a plus; since, even Ivermectin has potential side effects. (And, it's made by big pharma, which I'd prefer not to support!)

Is there a way for someone without a background in chemistry to find out if an organism is anaerobic vs aerobic?

Thanks in advance!

All bad organisms cannot live in an oxygenated enviroment, so if you give your dogs MMS or perferabley CDS solution then they will all die. And not at a shocking rate either but easy and steady enough to leave the dogs no harmful side effects. CDS solution can be mixed with water and syringed down their throat or an injection can be made however injections are still in the experimental process with jim humble.

Remember Organisms can be aerobic or anerobic. Its the Pathogens and Parasite organisms we want gone as you mentioned. Simply give them CDS solution throughout the day, and you'll be fine and they'll be fine, and Parasite free.

P.S. Beneficial oraganisms, like good bacteria etc, we dont want to kill and breath oxygen, so were only after the acidic bad organisms that we need to oxidise. So all those worms and such will die with cds.

hope this helps,

John (note: Active link removed by forum policy - Admin)

Thank you. Have you used it for this before? If so, was it for getting rid of adult worms, killing microfliaria, or both? (I'm definitely NOT trying to be argumentative - just very careful; since, heartworms are such a serious issue that I feel an obligation to be absolutely certain that I'm doing the right thing prior to switching over.)

What was confusing me was how to determine whether heartworms fall under the category of a form of insect/worm as opposed a pathogen (which I normally think of as being [bad] bacteria, virus', etc.) I'm thinking that all of the good stuff is aerobic and all of the bad stuff is anaerobic; and, MMS only kills the bad stuff, which would be a good way to differentiate. One article I read (www.divergence.com/images/downloads/www-sciencedirect-com_science_ncsoln3y.pdf) refers to heartworms as a "filarial parasitic nematode;" and, states: "Comparative genomic analyses revealed both genes common to metazoans or nematodes and genes specific to filarial parasites that may relate to parasitism. Characterization of abundant transcripts suggested important roles for genes involved in energy generation and antioxidant defense in adults. In particular, we proposed that adult heartworm likely adopted an anaerobic electron transferbased energy generation system distinct from the aerobic pathway utilized by its mammalian host, making it a promising target in developing next generation macrofilaricides and other treatments." That SEEMS to indcate to me that the microfilaria might be aerobic and MMS might not affect them. If that's correct; then, it should be safe to use to treat for adult heartworms, with the hopes that there'll be a die-off of the adult worms in those who came here HW+. (As long as it didn't result in too quick a die off.) But, I was too tired when I made my original post for it to occur to me to google +heartworm +anaerobic. :oops: It does leave open the question of whether the dog's activity should be limited during treatment; and, if so, for how long. As I said, though, the only "background" I have in chemistry is what I've picked up researching alternative medicine and alternative energy sites. I can still get pretty "lost" mucking through the technical jargon. (Esp. if I'm fibro-flared, which has been most of the time lately, due to so much going on right now. Things have been a bit like living in a Twilight Zone episode since Nov. and 2011 was "the year from hell" in general...)

Thank you for trying to help these animals. I am intently following.

Mickey has a really neat testimonial about tapeworms and her cat - so it does work with worms within the body as well as pathogens. Plus, we have some people testimony about expelling parasites/worms - (gross to read, probably, but great to know it works!)