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nuffder wrote:

Excellent.  So you think I should do the CDH injections while I'm fasting?  I have been thinking about whether or not I should take a break from MMS while I fast or not.  I was a little concerned that it might overload the body.  Fasting alone is pretty intense.  I wasn't sure if adding MMS (or CDH) would be too much.

Personally I wouldn't want to take MMS or CDH orally while fasting, but I would try intravenous - maybe starting with one 10 cc  dose of 25 ppm. Then if that went/felt fine, I'd gradually increase to 3 a day and then maybe increase the ppm to 50. Basically when you're fasting like this you're also doing a detox/cleanse which could release a lot of crap into your system which, I believe, would be good to oxidize with CLO2. Then, once your system is cleaned up, the CLO2 in the injections will be able to go deeper and deeper into all parts of the body to do an even deeper cleaning.

Regarding not being able to find a vein, you might have better luck looking for one in another part of your body. For example I can see the veins on my feet better than on my hands or arms.

Take care,
Scott McRae

Just to update....I did the long term water fast without doing any MMS/CDS. It was an abysmal failure in every way.

I've on the Buhner herbs for the past month & a half, but those are doing absolutely nothing so far (still going to try the core ones for 6 months).

Tried some Huperzine A last night....I either had the biggest Herx reaction I've had since I took too much MMS a year ago or else I got food poisoning. I couldn't get out of bed for 24 hours. Anyone try Huperzine?

So, I'm back to contemplating the CLO2 injections again. It's just a scary thing to do for those of us who have never injected anything. If you make a mistake (any mistake), there's nothing to protect you. The hospital seems like a very real possibility if something is a little off. Also, I'm still not sure of what the benefit is to injecting it. I can take so much orally that I get a big Herx reaction, so I seem to be hitting an upper limit as to how much CLO2 my body can handle. It seems like I would hit the same limit whether I ingested or injected. My body can only handle so many dead pathogens & toxins at once. Why does it matter what method (oral or injection) I use to kill them?

Hi Nuffder,

I know most everyone believes that when they take a lot of MMS and then have a herx reaction that the reason for the herx is because of die-off, etc., but personally I think it's because they are ingesting so much unactivated MMS that the huge reaction in their stomach is what's making them feel so sick. When someone activates for just 30 seconds, only about 10% of the MMS is activated, leaving the remaining 90% to activate in the stomach. 90% of of 3 drops, is 2.70 drops of unactivated MMS activating in the stomach. 1 drop activating in my stomach accompanied with about 200ml of water works well for me but I think I'd be throwing up if I swallowed 2.70 drops along with just 120ml of water. So maybe it's not killing lots of pathogens throughout your body which is making you and others feel sick (which is what most believe), and if what I'm saying is true, then also maybe not that much ClO2 is actually making it into the blood to do the work of killing pathogens. Maybe most of the ClO2 is getting neutralized either in the stomach or as it passes from the stomach and into the blood. Who knows how much actually gets into the blood? This is why it makes sense to me to do IV ClO2 injections - we know exactly how much is going into the blood.

When I did two 10ml 100ppm injections the other day (separated by 6 hours) to overcome a cold that was starting to take hold, the next morning I woke up completely free of any symptoms of a cold at all. This has never happened to me before when I just took drops. This was a night and day difference and told me that injection was the best way to go if I could do it, and I can.

By the way, notice how nobody experiences nausea when they take CDS or CDH (even large amounts). This I believe is because of their being so much less MMS in the solution with CDH, and none in it with CDS.

Hope that helps.

Take care,
Scott McRae

Scott, I think you are correct about too much ingested unactivated MMS causing Herxheimer reactions. It may be okay for some, but not for those with more sensitive stomachs or stomachs that don't have enough gastric acids to activate residual unactivated MMS.

Those who have sensitive stomachs and are using 50% citric acid MMS activator, should switch to 4% HCL, which is an acid our stomachs naturally contain.

Recall that years ago you could not take much MMS1 because of Herx reactions, but now you can take small doses of unactivated MMS with no problems. In fact, your original problem prompted you to come up with CDH.

One simple way to test your theory is to suggest to Herx suffering users of MMS1 that they switch to CDH.

For that to work, users must know that 1 ml of the original CDH recipe contains the same amount of CLO2 as a 1 drop dose of MMS1.

If this works for someone with say, cancer, then they may be able to get enough CLO2 into their bloodstream to neutralize the cancer, whereas they might not be successful if they continued taking low doses of ingested MMS1.

There are many non-ingested MMS protocols which should be effective in getting CLO2 into the bloodstream, such as your IV method.

So, if you have not been able to ingest more than say, 1 or 2 drop hourly MMS1 doses, after a few days at those dosages, try CDH.

Thanks ClO2, couldn't have said it better myself.

I understand what you're saying about the Herx reactions; however, I'm sure that my Herx reactions have been die-off reactions. I could literally feel the place in my body where a biofilm had broken. Plus, I'm able to work up to higher doses. If I haven't done MMS in a while, I can't take very much without feeling a little ill. If I've been on it regularly, I can slowly increase the amount I take to fairly high doses with no problem.

I'm interested in the injections just as a comparison. I've got to get my confidence up and have some vacation days to follow in case it goes badly. Thanks for the thoughtful replies.