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Here's the lowdown on white specks....

They are seen on the low oxalate diet, more common there actually than the black specks. In the LOD community, they think they are probably oxalate crystals that have been released by the body and are being "shuttled out". Yeast makes oxalates, and starting on yeast meds or diet could certainly cause what they call an "oxalate dump." However, they do not know at this time (that I'm aware of) exactly what the white specks are--I've read on the LOD board that the specks are not stable and disapear by the time the samples get to the lab. But to my knowledge, they do not know what they are for sure. My son had these while we were heavy on the LOD; so many at first that his stools looked like sand. As time went on they lessened, but I still see them (larger ones) when we go very low oxalate.

Now, the parasite community has these specks as well, and they say they're parasite eggs. Haven't seen any evidence of actual testing from them either, though.

My thoughts are....there's a tremendous amount of overlap between the methods used to get rid of yeast and parasites. I think the parasite meds could be getting rid of yeast, even though the parasite community isn't focusing here. And people who are "doing yeast" don't generally know anything about oxalates, so THEY could unknowingly be causing oxalate dumps without knowing it as well. Why can't the labs test this already? I'll tell you what--MY son's "white specks," whatever they were, surely were pronouced enough to test. Doesn't seem to me like it would be a big deal. It might give us an important answer to what's going on with these kids.

BUT, let me say, the white specks ALWAYS preceded gains for us in our family. WE'd have horrible days, the white specks would appear, and the gains would begin. We'd go back downhill for a week or more during the next dumping period, the specks would appear, and the gains again. So IMO the white specks are a good thing to see, whatever they are!


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David, Pam

Thanks for the replies. I can immediately subscribe to what David says about the gains. He made a huge step forward in his behaviour, asking questions, more talkative, more interested in his environment after his white specks (after the high dosage of MMS). He seldom reacted to the questions of his grandparents because they always want to know a lot of stuff at once, sometimes he just appeared deaf, I think it was a bit overwhelming for him. Now, he immediately replies to what they are asking and this is great ! So I am certainly not thinking about lowering the dosage, I think he is reaching some kind of plateau and we just have to go the next one, in a carefull way.

Pam,

My worries for my doctor do not concern the reason why he has worms/parasites but I am thinking about the results of the lab if they discover the MMS in his stools. I suppose
some things will remain to be found and I will have to explain why I am slowly poisoning my son with this product, I knew this from the past when I was giving him his MB12-shots. His weight is 110 lbs and is 1m67 so "almost" an adult, it is not easy to get around him whenhe is going to the bathroom. He feels that I am asking questions about his stools and he founds it quite embarrassing and prefers to go the toilet when I am not at home but I will try to solve this in a weekend.

Thanks for the very helpfull replies !

Ann

I guess the question, then, Ann, would be whether MMS could be found in the stools.

What happens, when MMS "works" is that the MMS goes into the body, where it is attracted to a pathogen (because the pathogen has a lower oxidation potential - healthy body tissues all have a higher oxidation potential, so MMS is not attracted to them). It kills the pathogen by pulling electrons from the pathogen, literally breaking up the electron shell or skin of the pathogen. In the process, MMS also loses it's shell (it has to give up it's oxygen molecule to do its work) - in other words, it "suicides" as MMS <G>. It breaks down into 2 parts of "spent" or "used" oxygen molecules (which is released in the water or carbon cycle) and 1 part of something very similar to table salt, which typically is released in the same way - and is considerably less sodium than you would find in a meal on a low-salt diet. All that occurs within an hour and a half - two hours max - at that point, MMS is out of the body.

So, I think that if you have concern, you could probably stop the MMS in advance of taking a stool sample - two hours (or if you wanted to be "really" sure, 4 hours, or even the night before <G>) - and there won't be anything to see.

However! That said, I think David's information is probably enough to set your mind at ease and give you something to track, in terms of the specks and your son's progress.