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Hi. I have been researching this site and many others. I have downloaded Jim's book and have already started some protocols with MMS and DMSO, but there are so many things out there - I need some direction and advice from someone who has experience with this particular issue. 

Long story short, I recently rescued an abandoned cat with a serious ear problem. It was so bad my vet couldn't even see in the ear. After antibiotics and drops (did a culture and switched meds) things improved. He has a polyp that continues causing infection after the antibiotic is finished - and will continue to do so as long as it is present. The procedure for surgically pulling it out sounds minimally invasive and logical, but this 6 (?) year old cat has a bad heart. The blood test "V-Check" produced a number of 1304 (above 100 is abnormal), so we followed up with an Echo and he had some fluid around his heart and was diagnosed with Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and left-sided congestive heart failure. He is a very high risk for anesthesia and it is not recommended for him. 

His polyp is draining into a lymph down at his jawline and neck. A needle aspiration determined what this "lump" was. It was not determined to be cancerous. I had a home to place him in, but he has too many complications. I have taken him in and adopted him and committed to nursing him back to health. He is separated from my other three cats for now, but is in a quiet, stable, comfortable atmosphere and has a forever home with me.

I feel like I'm up against a wall -- and the clock. He is on heart meds in order to stabilize him, but this polyp has to go. It's awful. The horrible smell is back and it bleeds occasionally and drains. 

I have been using colloidal silver, CBD, (internal and topical) Panacur (Fenbenzadole), Omega 3s and some other recommended tinctures and probiotics. I recently started MMS protocol. Did the C2 mix from the animal chart. He was not eating and I didn't know if this was upsetting his stomach -- could be many things, but I stopped the oral drops. He hates the syringe anyway. 

I went to the topical application of MMS with DMSO (one drop of each in 1 oz distilled water), but am concerned about getting in the ear because I know the DMSO can cause ear damage and hearing loss (which would still be the least of his problems), so I'm dabbing some inside directly on the polyp and most of it on the exterior of the side of the ear and jaw where the infection is draining  - and on the ear flap. He will clean himself and lick some off, so this will help. 

Only been doing this specifically for a couple days, and it looks worse. Hopefully before it gets better? I'm afraid to add anything else to the mix. I don't want to overwhelm him, but I need to throw the kitchen sink at this. Multiple topical applications is somewhat difficult. I'm down to once a day because of his stress level.  

I don't think I saw this in the animal section of Jim's book, but can the MMS be given in food? I know water is an option, but I'm afraid he won't drink the water. ALSO Jim recommends holding back on supplements. UGH! I need help, please. I'm very sick over this. THANK YOU!

Thanks so much for your reply. I appreciate (and understand) your diligence with Mr. Black. It's amazing what you have accomplished with a FIV cat. 15 years is a great testament to your care. 

The daily maintenance of MMS1 on Jim's animal chart looks to be 5.5 mls of Cup1, which I'm reading to be about 1 activated drop in about 1/2 cup of water. Is this where you're taking your 5-7 drops? I am trying to understand the dosing and charts. Being that I have to get going with this, I haven't had time to read Jim's book in full, but am trying to read the parts I need to. I do the 1 activated drop with the DMSO and oil topically, but started back yesterday with the 5 drops ORALLY ( starting solution - 8 activated drops in a 1/2 cup of water). Thanks for the hint on the broth, as I'm afraid to put it in his water because I don't want him to shy away from it. 

Thanks also for the point about dehydration. He appeared a bit dehydrated last night, but I wondered if it was one of the heart meds (it's a diuretic for fluid around the heart), but I was afraid to give fluids because of that, so trying to get him to eat as much moisture as possible. I'll get some broth. Pacific Foods is what I get when I buy it. 

I understand about the antibiotics. They did help and there is one other option that will help 2 of the 3 bacteria, per the culture, but I expect the same outcome as the one that they said would handle all 3 bacteria.... once you stop using it, the infection returns. Not going back in that direction. I would rather boost his immune system at this point. As you said, the resistance will be created and everything will worsen from there. 

If you could please confirm your MMS1/water mix for your drops it would be appreciated. 

By the way, my cat's name is Corey. 

Blessings!
 

Thanks for the information on the measurement of drops to water. I do 8 to a 1/2 a cup. I'm not going to waste it - will take some myself. I hear it's best made up fresh, but if I do use it a couple days it's in a covered glass jar. 

I agree about the nauseousness. They can't tell us unless they throw up or not eat. Corey will occasionally not eat and I'm not sure what it is that's causing that. I haven't added DMSO to the oral drops, but use it outside the ear and he does rub with his paw and lick it when he cleans himself. I figure the small bit he would ingest would be OK. But I need to find out what's upsetting his eating. 

I haven't picked up the broth yet - I see they have a low sodium version. . I was worried about salt with his heart, but I hope it works. I would be happy to do it 8 times per day if he eats it this way! Thanks for the tip. 

I got the low sodium version a few days ago and he likes it! I don't know if I'm using too much - just about 1 tablespoon. I added 2 drops from Cup2 the first day, 3 the second and 5 this morning. He has no problem eating that mix. He had been up to 5 drops orally before, but had to do a syringe. Am I correct that in the Starting Procedure this is once per day? 

He doesn't seem to be improving, and while he doesn't vomit or anything, he is not eating as well as he had been. I am doing drops directly on the polyp (1 drop MMS1, 1 drop DMSO in a little less than 1/2 oz of water.)  Been doing this at  least twice a day. If the evening I'm using his Zymox drops and some colloidal silver. I was using some MMS1 with DMSO mixed with coconut oil and drop of frankincense for the outside of his ear and down his jaw/neck where there is infection as well. He wants to wipe this with his paw and he licks it to clean, so I don't know if this is affecting his appetite or not making him feel good. My friend who swears by the frankincense says such a tiny dose shouldn't hurt him if he ingests it. I didn't do the external oil application last night as an experiment - and he still didn't want to eat this morning. I'm trying different foods to keep him interested. 

The polyp seems to be getting bigger, but it's hard to tell sometimes. It's definitely much worse since being on the antibiotics. Infection is still there and it'll bleed if he scratches it, of course. It gets beet red. I feel so bad for him. I know even a bit of DMSO is good for pain. And I know I can't put much of that in the ear at all, but the polyp is to the side the ear canal so I shoot for that area with the drops. 

He is a little less hydrated then before, and I'm going to call the vet to see about reducing the dosage of Lasix. (I may do it anyway)  I hate this, but he had fluid around his heart. I'm hoping this med is the culprit and I can ramp up the MMS now that he takes it in the broth.  I know the MMS can affect heart function as it pertains to meds he is on, so would love to use more MMS and less pharma! I know how you feel about the vets. I get so frustrated with them because they usually can't think outside of the box. There is no way I would mention the MMS to them. Colloidal silver and CBD, yes. They wouldn't think to much of that. i do add the silver and CBD to his food. He hasn't had a problem with it. Not sure what the problem is now. 

Sorry to go on and on. Just frustrated with wanting to feel confident with the protocol, but instead feeling totally confused and scared.

Thanks so much for your help. 
 

Thank you for the response. I did get Jim's book and i have read that section you posted. I read it several times and read some of the people stuff. I believe you are right about every hour, but there was something keeping me from that information sinking in. I'm not sure why - maybe because most people aren't with their animals for that span (but the more I can do the better), not doing it with food is hard with how cat's eat (when they want to, regardless of when you put the food down), and my thinking that just the single dose was affecting his appetite. Plus having to do the syringe at times. He was good with the broth for a couple days - and then he wasn't. I've done the tuna thing as well. And over the weekend I just did some juice from a can of food. I have to switch it up to keep him interested. Fortunately, there is plenty of the solution that I can throw away the serving and try something else. 

I haven't done oral DMSO, other than what he may lick from his ear drops (MMS1, DMSO, and distilled water).  The topical application seems to be helping slightly and is said to also help with pain. The good thing about the ear is all of the blood vessels to help the body absorb.. I do the mix with the single drop of each for inside the ear, and use a mixture with a few drops when I do exterior. 

I got the lasix dose reduced by the vet, thankfully, and this has helped his hydration and maybe his appetite a bit. I also have the transdermal appetite stimulant script, but will only use if it totally doesn't want to eat. I'm going to try to do as many doses of Starting Procedure as possible today. 

Thanks again for setting me straight on the dosing. I feel like a dolt for not getting it, but on the other hand I'm glad that there is more to do to ramp it up, and that motivates me and gives me hope. I feel like the topical and the supplements are kicking in a bit - there was a change in appearance and color, like maybe it's drying? And we didn't have blood yesterday. 

I'm with you on how hard it is seeing animals in pain. And the nursing part has been very hard for me lately. (I could never be a vet or vet tech. I can't even stand going in the offices). I rescued two young moms with babies from my neighborhood about 18 years ago. After raising the kittens, I couldn't see adopting them out or separating them from mom, so I kept everyone. Of course, this led to animals aging in unison and I've been dealing with nursing one or more of them at a time for the past several years on my own. Recently, pretty intensely for five of them that I have lost within a year - a  16 and 18 year old last year, and three this year at over 17 and a half. I have another two 18 year olds that are doing pretty well. I do have a holistic vet, but sometimes antibiotics and meds are needed, so it's a trial between two vets, etc.  Neither really wants to work with the other at times. Sometimes they do. At this age, my cats need a TEAM, right? 

So I'm emotionally spent and stressed. This rescue came about right after my last guy here passed. So, there has been no break. And I've recently found this MMS - wish I would have found it sooner. It's a journey. In spite of it all, we are hanging in there!

I also do Reiki and Healing Touch and I have a Healy device, so he got a lot of energy work this weekend. He was happy and calm last night and had some nice REM sleep next to me on the love seat. He is in good spirits!

You have no idea how your support has helped me. When I posted, I prayed to have a response. 

 

the fact that your cats lived ripe old ages unto 17 or so - wish , should not stress you out. you should be very proud of yourself. not only did you take them in, you gave them wholesome lives.

very well done to you.

I still can assure you simply topical application of mms will not do much for the cats, and if im wrong, then I will be happy to be corrected.

the probability of the cats at their age having low immune systems, the possibility of these bacteria / viruses migrating from the localised area to other parts of the system is quite probable. ( considering the age )

bombarding the body with constant mms ( which I recently learnt myself from some of the intelligible people on here like truthseker and stu , in the hard way ) seems to be most effective.

its not like I agree with everything they say,  but  its how informatively , cautiously and respectfully they say it, that you gotta give it a thought and try it. and if it works for you, it becomes a conviction. I was using mms only in the morning and night for a while. then I got monkeypox and did smaller doses every hour in a litre of water. my monkeypox scarring is almost zero, apart from the two lesions on my genitals, where it first started. so mms did work to not let it spread viciously beyond what was already affected badly before I started the regimen. 



 

Wow. That's a great testimony about the hourly dosing for the monkeypox and scarring. Bravo. Hope you're over it now. 

Thank you so much for your comments. I am happy that my cats have lived long lives. I think they were around 6 before I found out that they didn't need vaccines (they were/are all inside all the time) . And I started with a holistic vet. It's been a long journey of learning about supplements and herbs, etc. Of course, that makes for more difficult care (can't just put food down and leave it at that) and better food choices. MORE money. But, well spent. 

I think the biggest things I can advocate for (until I have my miraculous kitty healing with MMS) is the radioactive iodine treatment for thyroid (but I hear MMS works for that, too) and Manuka Honey. Two of my cats had the iodine treatment. A doc here keeps them only 2-3 days. Well worth it not having to give meds. I hadn't had much luck with natural thyroid supplements. And the manuka is the ONLY thing that cleared up a chronic skin infection on one of my cats. I would be using it today if this were not an ear thing. Not a good idea for sure in the ear. I hope this may help someone reading this. 

Fortunately, this cat is only about 6, so I think he has a good chance of pulling through. Yesterday  I saw a shift - the polyp is darker in color and isn't bleeding. I didn't know if it was dried blood on it or what, but no bleeding today either! It is calm. It is not "angry" and red and inflamed. Some slight clear discharge, but it actually looks smaller and the smell is not as strong. (I hate to jump the gun, but I'm feeling good about it!)

I understand what you are saying about the topical application. I think adding the DMSO is the key. Also, the external use of the frankincense and silver. Plus adding the silver and CBD, omega 3 and immune boosters to his food. I may have mentioned using Panacur (fenbenzadole) three days last week. I think I'll repeat it after two weeks. I kind of have to treat this think like it is cancer, since I don't actually know what it is. It probably isn't, but that'll be a bonus. Also using some Cassie's Tea in his water. I know it's a LOT for the little guy, but I think it's all working together. 

So, being on a high note -- I'm getting aggressive with the oral MMS1. I started the hourly when I got home and he's had three oral doses without food for the time being. I think the lack of food is the only thing keeping him from hiding from me. I want to get a good 4 doses in before offering him anything in between. I actually thought if he was hungry I could do the dose in a bit of the chicken broth, or other broth. So far, that hasn't worked, but it's OK, because direct is best. He's not happy with me, but it'll be worth it. Actually, he is on the affectionate side tonight (interesting -- feeling better maybe). His hydration is better and his coat looks good. My only bad thing is not being exactly on the hour. I have to go back and read how important that is. I start off on time, but I do kind of have to coax him - and was trying to do the broth thing. I'm making fresh doses each time (I'm drinking some of the rest). 

Thank you for your comments and help!

I was 22 when I had first tried mms . im almost 33 now. at the time it worked for me and my dog was 14 and was ready to pass away with lots of problems.

I was secretly force feeding him mms meals a lot, and at one point my dog who used to at least like me if not love me like he did my dad, started literally hating me hard.

so much so that when he used to feel better from the mms , and was able to stand up and walk and bark, he would literally growl at me and not let me touch him. it was like he was signalling my father that I was poisoning him and was trying to kill him . im certain that my dog was CONVINCED I was poisoning him and I was the reason he was unwell.

I stopped giving it to him , and he became sick again . but I just didn't have the heart to put him through it again . I dint want him to pass thinking I was poisoning him . he passed in my sisters arms with my dad there. I didn't go for the euthanasia . it was best he passed around people he really thought truly cared about him . had I gone , im sure his anxiety of death would have been manifold.

ever since, I have never dared giving an animal mms or anything that a doctor wont prescribe. I am certain even animals understand the concept of poisoning.

Thanks for answering this. I had the same feeling that we don't know what is going on with the animals, and that the MMS certainly isn't poisoning him - as evidenced by the fact that he was up and walking and barking. It is so hard to constantly try to assess how they are feeling when we're administering remedies and medications. Regardless, I think they know we are coming from a place of love.