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And yet, there is another possibility - MMS works on biofilm. congestion, particularly long held congestion, softens into a more liquidy mucous to be expelled. Some of your "allergy" and "congestion" problems could be the breaking up of long held congestion. If you look you will find the posts from another poster who has had his deep congestion (left over from earlier pneumonias) broken up and expelled, even though his parkinsons is not being addressed.. The sinus "inflammation" may be parasites in the sinuses - or may be the same symptoms - old mucous breaking up. I will say that if you chose to continue the "strong antioxidants" while doing MMS, you are fortunate that you have any positive response at all, since MMS is an oxidant, and you've just spent time and money getting the two of them to "fight."

It doesn't sound like MMS is for you, though. And you've probably made a wise decision to move onto something else.

Hi Alexis - I see you are into alternative treatments. Have you tried N.A.E.T. for allergy relief?

It's pretty amazing. The doc does the muscle test to see what you are sensitive to and then stimulates some acupressure points while you are holding the substance in your hand. When you muscle test again the next day, there is no more weakness and the sensitivity is cleared.

You have to start with 10 basic foods that most people are sensitive to. Then you go on to other foods and environmental things, too. It's a bit expensive because you need the primary 10 sessions before going on but it works.

I was lucky to have someone in my city that is trained in it.

It might be helpful to you along with MMS.

Hi Pam thank you again . I have taken on board what you have said about the biofilm and am perfectly happy to accept that as an explanation, which is always nice to have.

The affect is always instant though, as in seconds after I the the MMS the thick excessive mucus is produced in the lungs and builds up and keeps coming up to the throat to be expelled, which is where the whole thing gets very draining, asides from the difficulty breathing, and which is what makes it literally impossible for me to continue with it for very long. So could the MMS really be working on the lung biofilm within seconds, before it has had a chance to reach there?

I have to say though if you will permit me that I am still totally unconvinced about the extent to which MMS is negated by antioxidants. I am very in tune with my body and how supplements, foods and therapies affect me. The general positive affects of taking MMS are enormous on me. Every time I take it it has the exact same affect no matter what I have eaten or taken (antioxidants) that day, the previous day or just hours beforehand.

For sure there is more likelihood of nausea on an empty stomach which suggests more die off, and most people experience this.

But the MMS always has a remarkably positive affect on my stomach and digestion and bowels no matter what antioxidants I have taken that day. I always experience the exact same level of general health improvement with it. Even on very low doses the affects are so significant. That includes the negative affects, such as the excessive mucus.

If this is indeed die off (the mucus), then it remains constant again in spite of the antioxidants.
I can appreciate where you are coming from Pam and I know that you know much much more about this subject than me so I really am not trying to patronise anybody.

But I have such strong experiential evidence to go on that demonstrates that MMS is working extremely well and uniformly for me at very small doses, whether it be on an empty stomach, 2 hours after antioxidants, or more than 4 hours afterwards.

It just seems that somehow the science isn't quite right here. I know I am not the only person to take this view, based on experience. I know that Adam Abraham, who was a key supporter of MMS at Jim Humbles' side, has recently spoken out about his strong belief that the science of how MMS works may not be accurate.

I do always leave at least 2 hours after I take antioxidants, like oil of oregano and ascorbic acid. I don't take antioxidants "for the sake of antioxidants" and I don't spend much money on them, I take them because they are the measures I have discovered that help me to manage my excessive mucus and respiratory symptoms and are essential to make things bearable, which is why I cannot dispense with them when I take MMS, even more so due to the way MMS exacerbates these symptoms. They are also, of course, supportive to overall health and I don't notice a diminishment with their affectiveness.

But what I am suggesting (and maybe this is different in different bodies) is that as long as there is at least 2 hours after such antioxidants then the MMS is negated only very little, and the antioxidants have had a chance to get into the tissues and do their good. If the MMS and the antioxidants were just "cancelling each other out" then I would not experience the powerful positive affects of MMS at such low doses and with such constancy.

Are there lots of people who get no affect whatsoever from MMS as a result of not separating antioxidants by at least 4 hours? If so maybe their bodies are different to mine, which must be plausible.

Even if the antioxidants were reducing MMS' effectiveness as an anti pathogen, it still has the same positive (digestion, bowels, skin and organ health), and negative (excessive mucus) overall affects no matter what so it clearly is not being neutralised.

And if it was, then I would just need to increase by one drop and would be right at the nausea level at low doses still, with lots of die off, always feeling better and "cleaned out" afterwards, so the affect is so minimal that MMS can still be as affective as it needs to be without large doses.

Sorry if any of this seems patronising Pam I don't mean it that way.

Had another chest infection come on yesterday so I stated MMS again this morning- just one 3 drop dose, will have another now, then eat over an hour later, and take at least another two 3 drop doses today with one at bedtime if I can handle the mucus. Then if my chest infection isn't completely gone by the morning I will take at least another two 3 drop doses tomorrow. So far this sort of approach is proving very affective at ridding the acute chest infection in 24 hours, so again this demonstrates that the MMS is working very well in spite of antioxidants. It would take a huge amount of silver to get the same quick results, like litres and litres.

Not looking for a reply as such just sharing my thoughts more than anything, I would be interested to know what others experience of things were though in relation to all of this.

Thanks again, Alexis.

Hello, I've been studying MMS and some other alternative methods and I am doing a little research about the effect of the body's metabolic state and how it can affect the results of therapies. It's possible that some people may be too alkaline and catabolic, which can interfere with good results until the metabolic state can be reversed. This can be done using certain foods and/or healthy oils. Here is a really interesting forum by the author of "The Doctor Who Cures Cancer". He answers any questions and there are also over 7000 posts (click on the link at the bottom for more comments, needs a couple of minutes to load) going back 5 years, so it's a great resource for understanding the metabolic approach that is necessary for any therapy to be fully effective. You can use the word search function of your browser or just read through some of them.

kelleyeidem.hubpages.com/hub/How-I-Cured-Stage-4-Cancer-in-Two-Weeks-For-Less-Than-The-Cost-Of-A-Night-At-The-Movies

Please let me know if this is of any value, since it will help me to understand how much effect the metabolic state has upon the effectiveness of MMS. Maybe you've already dealt with this.

Thanks very much.

Hi there Larry if that is your name. Thanks for the suggestion. I did look into this I don't think there are any practitioners near me. But it sounds very similar to what my chiropractor does anyway.

He practises "total body modification." Similar to kinesiology, he uses muscle testing to identify problems (for example, infections, organ and systems (gall bladder, digestive system, electromagnetic system etc) , and taps the necessary sequence into the specific related accuppresure points on the spine, which fixes the issue immediately and he can treat the entire body that way, so effectively for endless things.

He treats me for allergies all the time. The object in question is placed over the chest and then the arm is tested for muscle strength, the arm being weak if I'm allergic to it.

Then, when the arm is shown to be weak, and with the object still on my chest,he moves his hands around the body testing various organs, testing the muscle strength in my arm with each one, until the arm is strong again. This indicates the exact body part that the allergy is linked directly to. There will always be just one, all others showing the arm weak, in relation to the allergen that is.

When the arm is made stronger, in relation to the allergen on the chest being treated, he then taps the corresponding sequence into the accupressure points on the spine for that organ, which treats the allergy- by way of frequency/vibration adjustment I believe, the cause of the allergy (but not the ultimate cause, of course which is far deeper).

It really works though. for example, if i'm allergic to cashew nuts, causing stomach upset, then he will treat it, and by the time I walk out of the room, I can eat cashews again with no problems. The allergies will always recur in time, due to the underlying factors (heavily disturbed gut flora in my case) but I can stay on top of things by going regularly enough.

Also I discovered that it is possible to treat multiple items at once. My chiropractor was taught that he can only ever do 3 allergy treatments at a time with this method.

But I discovered through experimentation that it works just as well to treat 50 different food items in one. So I have a food bag full of every day foods and supplements for that purpose alone, such as different nuts, grains, beans, olives, spices etc etc, covering most things I eat.

Every time I go for a treatment I take the bag with me, whether I am conscious of being intolerant to anything in particular or not. If I am allergic to anything in the bag, then it will show up with muscle testing, and he will treat the bag as one allergen. It only takes 2 treatments at the most to clear everything in the bag, but even if not everything is cleared in one treatment, many items in the bag will be, with the rest cleared with another treatment.

I do the same with my asthma inhalers- all as one allergen in a food bag, and then there is another spot for the 3rd treatment he can do at a time, depending on what I want tested and treated.

It doesn't cure my allergenic tendencies, but it makes life a lot more livable and makes such a difference all round.

Thanks for the suggestion Larry, all the best, Alexis.

Hi there rsettle thanks for the suggestion and link. Don't know anything about this concept I will look into it. But it strikes out at me personally. I have been able to establish through time by intuition that when things work for me, they work exceptionally well. My homeopath also has told me from testing me over the years that my body is highly responsive to things, such as the homeopathy she prescribes me (but which unfortunately I am unable to take anymore doe to the excessive mucus it produces.

So there is something in particular about my body which makes it naturally very responsive to things, like MMS, and maybe easier in some ways for me to get result, as I do with the MMS in spite of my antioxidant intake, and despite the fact that I experience such adverse healing reactions as the excessive mucus.

Naturally I have a very high metabolism, although my metabolism is way way below par currently. But that doesn't seem to reduce the extent to which my body is very responsive to treatments, medicines (herbal) and therapies.

Thanks, Alexis

I'm generally familiar with the philosophy of homeopathy and I have respect for their work. I would assume that a practitioner would be familiar with metabolic states and their importance when recovering health. Perhaps you can ask her, and I would be interested to hear her response. If she didn't take pH values of your urine or blood, or if she didn't advise you concerning anabolic or catabolic foods, it could be helpful to determine your metabolic state.

Pardon me if I'm providing too much detail. I'm also writing for readers who may be interested and I'm hoping to get as much feedback as I can.

Using the correct oil, either evening primrose oil (if you are catabolic with a high pH) or emulsified cod liver oil (if you are anabolic and acidic), can bring the metabolic state of the body into balance. pH doesn't necessarily indicate the metabolic state in all cases. If you eat 2 boiled eggs on an empty stomach with a cup of coffee, this is a good indicator. If this makes you feel better, you are in a catabolic state and can benefit from taking 6000 mg eveining primrose oil once or twice daily. If the coffee and eggs make you feel worse, you are anabolic and can benefit from taking 15 ml (1 tablesp) of emulsified cod liver oil once or twice daily. More information is provided at the author's website (readers see the link in my previous message) and in his book which he sells online for only 5 dollars.

I hope I haven't given too much information, but I see this as one reason why cancer patients using alternative therapies sometimes have little success. The metabolic factor doesn't seem to be addressed adequately by sources of alternative health information. Two of the best cancer books had nothing to say about it, and I only recently learned about this when I came across the website I linked to in my previous message.

Thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts and I hope you can give me an update if you get any response from your homeopathic doctor.

Ron -- living in Peru at this moment