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Hi Ram Grass,
Regarding whether it's 4% or not, if the bottle says it is then I'm sure it is and if we were chemists we might understand why the numbers don't seem to add up.

About the amount extracted in 30 seconds, the only way I could see that happening is if the ingredients were heated up to near boiling which I don't recommend.

As CLO2 said, give them a call and see if they can explain it to you.

I just thought of something which makes the 65% conversion literally impossible. There isn't enough activating power in 4% HCl to get that much CLO2 out if it's mixed at a 1:1 ratio. At 1 to 1 drops, the most possible is just about 50% - that's why our CDH only gets to 3500ppm - there isn't enough activating power in the 4% to extract any more CLO2 - we made it that way intentionally - so that it would end up activating the MMS 50%.

Hope that helps,
Scott McRae

Hi Patricia,

Wow! Sorry to here this is going on so long for him. If you just want to do oral, I would recommend using CDH since he should be able to tolerate it more easily. If he could do 2ml every half hour in a cup or half a cup of water that would be great. He should ALWAYS hold his breath when he takes it and then chew up a jelly bean or something to mask the taste every time he drinks it and only then should he breath. Otherwise he may develop an aversion to the smell and or taste.

If it were me though, I'd dilute the CDH down to about 50ppm and inject it into my blood about 3 times a day (10ml each time).

I just did before and after blood tests to determine if dilute CDH would harm my blood or kidneys or liver and it showed that after doing the 10ml of 50ppm three times over an 11 hour period, my blood and kidney and liver functions were all normal in the blood test done after the 3 injections and just slightly different than the blood test done before the injections.

I'll attach my blood test results and some other supporting documents below:








Let us know if you have any other questions - hope he gets better soon,
Scott McRae

Thanks Scott,
Injections are way beyond my area of experience, so we will go the CDH every half hour. Really appreciate your advice.
Regards
Patricia

Ok, thanks guys. I'll have to contact Keavy's Corner and get some clarification on those two issues.

Do u guys know anything about using MMS for warts - what the prevailing wisdom is, any details on protocols, mms1 vs. cdh, etc?

Also, a bit off topic, but have u guys heard of using turpentine internally for health? It's in a bit of a similar vein as mms - I heard of it recently, and it obv. sounds unusual, but apparently it was a widely used & powerful remedy for a number of afflictions by older generations. Any experience/thoughs on this?

There have been discussions on using turpentine here on the forum. You can search using that search term. Make sure you set the date range to 'any date.'

Hi Scott,
Well finally got a diagnosis for my husband. Has Polymyalgia Rheumatica. They have put him on Prednisolone...steroids. Small dose. He was about to begin a course of ddr MMS2 for a swollen prostate and the effects of the prostate have really ramped up now. Do you think it would be okay to begin the course of MMS2. I understand you aren’t a doctor, but I respect your experience. Thanks. Patricia

Hi well its good you finally have a diagnosis but it appears they don't know the cause.

From Mayo:
Causes

The exact cause of polymyalgia rheumatica is unknown. Two factors appear to be involved in the development of this condition:

Genetics. Certain genes and gene variations may increase your susceptibility.
An environmental exposure. New cases of polymyalgia rheumatica tend to come in cycles and may develop seasonally. This suggests that an environmental trigger, such as a virus, might play a role. But no specific virus has been shown to cause polymyalgia rheumatica.

So based on the above I would treat it as a viral problem which means any of the MMS protocols including the use of MMS2 would hopefully treat it.

Good luck,
Scott mcRae

Scott, your explanation of the dosage is what I was looking for, although when I made it in the bottle -- the one bottle method -- I put extra water in it because my bottle was bigger, and figured that that would indeed make it weaker, or perhaps more of the ClO2 would dissolve in the water. I haven't had any idea how much of it to take. It smells horrible, but the taste I guess is not so bad. But it does burn my throat. I read someone somewhere say if you hold it in your mouth for a while it doesn't burn your throat so much, and that is true. But I still have a hard time getting it all down.

Is it correct to assume that this is a more effective method of delivery than drop of MMS to drop of HCl and taking perhaps one drop's worth in one ounce every hour for eight hours? Would taking 1 ml of your mixture, since it has more activated MMS in it, would you actually be getting more ClO2?

My immune system stopped working gradually in the late 1990s and into the early 2000s. I have CFIDS/ME (as well as Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, celiac disease and SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth), and I believe that is what did my immune system in. I haven't had a real full fledged cold or flu since 1998. There were a few single days early on in there where I would get very sick for one day, with a fever, feeling like my bones were breaking, thinking I had gotten the flu, but it would last one day or less.

My symptoms gradually decreased. I would get a sore throat, but it would not turn red, so the doctor would say I didn't have a sore throat. Most of my body stopped having a fever, but my hands would get very hot (and this would be when I felt sick), but gradually that went away. In the last 10 years or so, I might get that scratchy feeling like you're going to get a cold, but it will pass in a few hours. I never really get the typical immune response. So I guess these viruses have all set up housekeeping in my body. Cytomegalovirus, EBV, HHV-6 I know for sure. And the Cytomegalovirus is damaging my eyesight.

So if my immune system isn't kicking the cold viruses out, what are they doing? Is that why I have chronic fatigue and cannot do anything? And if this has been going on for 20 years, how long will it take me to get better? I realize you do not know the answer to those questions. But I wonder if other people like me are doing this.

The first few days I started doing this, I would get a headache pretty quickly. I think today it is barely there, and that must be some progress. I think the headache is ClO2 getting those viruses in my brain, and I know some of them go there. Yep, my headache today is there, but much less.

I guess I'm looking for encouragement, too. Because I expect my progress to be slow. I did try MMS years ago, back when we worked up to 15 drops, with all the nausea and basically horror you developed to having to take it. I also use oil of oregano pretty regularly for the SIBO, which doctors normally treat with powerful antibiotics, but which I want to avoid at all costs as they probably caused the SIBO in the first place, and the SIBO has made it impossible for me to absorb the minerals I need. So I have muscles that haven't relaxed for nearly 20 years. And then sometimes I take enough oil of oregano that I can absorb the potassium I need (I know when I need it because it makes me tremble like crazy) and the calcium and the magnesium. I remember the first time my butt muscles relaxed. And my BP, which I take medication for, went way way down. But now it's back up. I'm not sure MMS or ClO2 can help SIBO because SIBO can be normal bacteria but in the wrong place. Or they could be bad. I don't know. And they develop a biofilm and hard to dislodge.

So if anyone here has SIBO and has experience with ClO2 and SIBO, I would love to hear from them.

This isn't about turpentine, but kerosene. That's what the Rockefeller fortune was based on. The first one to get rich made his money selling one of those "remedies" that remedied everything, which we used to call snake oil, and it was actually kerosene, and people would take it.

And Andreas Kalcker, in one of his videos, spoke of a man who got parasites working in the fields. Asked how he got rid of them, he said he took a big gulp of diesel. And that worked. But, ugh!

So maybe turpentine was good for something.