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Hi Gabyher,
Since I'd been thinking about how dilute CDH could be administered with an insulin pump lately anyway, I decided to sort of simulate that using a 3/4 inch 27g butterfly needle. Below is a pic of what that looked like in my abdomen area. I was able to inject the entire 10cc of 50ppm slowly (over about 10 to 15 minutes, with only slight discomfort. It did form a little bit of a bump so I decided to walk around and flex my stomach muscles to encourage the circulation of it into my system while I pushed the last 5ml or so in, and that did the trick - the bump reduced quite nicely.

I used reverse osmosis drinking water to make my CDH and it's also what I used to dilute it to 50ppm. It would be better though if I could have diluted it with saline solution and so that's what I will try to do next time and it's what I would recommend to anyone. Also, the water I used was quite acidic, about 5.5 pH, and so I wouldn't want to use it for intramuscular, but it worked okay, with just a little burn for subcutaneous use.

Below are a couple of pictures I took. The picture with the black circle was taken 12 hours after the injection. I circled the area of the injection so I could examine the injection site later to see if there was any redness or bruising which would indicate that the solution caused some sort of tissue damage. I'm happy to say that there only appears to be a very slight amount of redness which is barely noticeable, and the area is only slightly tender to touch.





Hope this helps,
Scott McRae
PS. If I needed to fight some kind of disease, I would probably do this 2 to 3 times a day but I would definitely try to use saline solution if I could. A saline solution would also help to get the pH closer to 7 which should help reduce the slight burning I felt.

Thanks Scott for your guidance. I am considering and intra muscular in the thigh.
If I use an saline solution for my CDH wouldn't the salt affect the CLO2  effectiveness ?

as mms1 is in reality  80% mms1 (sodium chlorite ) and the rest is simple salt (sodium chloride) as saline solution is salt reasonably the salt wouldn't  affect the CLO2  effectiveness. 

Hi Gabyher,
I don't think it will neutralize the CLO2, but to be safe you could just make a small amount of 50ppm CDH at a time, using the saline solution. Just 0.5ml of 3500ppm CDH added to 33ml of saline solution will give you 33.5ml of 50ppm dilute CDH for your injection. 

Maybe somebody out there already knows for sure or could make up a batch and test it for us so we'll all know? (Charlotte/CLO2?)

Barring that though, when a friend of mine put enough CDH into 500ml of saline solution to make 7ppm, I never saw the yellow color diminish any that I could tell even after a few hours. That yellow actually caused us quite a bit of concern because we were in a hospital room at the time and felt sure that the nurses would notice how yellow the IV solution had become and start asking questions. Fortunately for us the walls in the room were a shade of yellow and I think that threw them off our trail. He's the guy who recovered from cancer after recovering from sepsis previously.  

Hope that helps,
Scott McRae 

Scott
I am considering  the 3ml 25ppm solution as per this doc:
mmsinfo.org/infosheets/Single%20Dose%20CDH.pdf
The last page, last pic shows the 3 minute solution as follows:
DW: 1.75ml
3 drops SC = 3 drops HCL
wait 3 mnts then add 1.18ml DW
which yields a 25ppm solution

To get a 50ppm solution I would double the dose (6 drops SC + 6drops HCL) and  replace the DW with a saline solution.
Does that look right ?

Note the doc says 118ml DW; I think there is a typo; should read 1.18ml

What do you think ?

Hi Gabyher,

First of all it is not a typo. It really is 118ml of water added in. Secondly, I think CLO2 (my friend Charlotte Lackney), made a calculation error which I need to talk to him about. According to my math, I think you would have 50ppm if you follow his directions and combine the 2ml of CDH in the syringe to the 118ml of water, not 25ppm as he's saying.

In the meantime, you could just make up a small amount of CDH the regular way which will give you a 3500ppm CDH and then add 1ml of it to 69ml of water (or IV solution) to get 70ml of 50ppm like this:



Then use an amount of this for your injection.

Let us know how it goes.

All the best,
Scott McRae