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drgreen,

Yes, cold water Contracts .... warm water expands, and relaxes.

When giving an enema to a person, it's always used with warm water, so as not to stimulate a contraction (peristalsis)

I think its no different in your situation.

Clint

Try mixing some at home and see if you can smell it. If you can smell it then it is there.

I have a baby bottle that the husband put a sprayer on for my horse's sarcoid. It is huge, covers most of his chest and one side of his neck and under one leg. I let the bottle come to room temperature. Usually I take it out of the fridge when getting up in the morning and it is usually 1 hour before I need to spray him. He is way, big time more tolerant than straight out of the fridge!

I would think the enema would have the same feel!

Thanks Clint, it makes perfect sense now you have said it.

Im not winning dosing Calvin rectally I made some up next to him, with warm water this time, he took the 60ml all in one go but when I withdrew it was only a few seconds before he passed it. Not one to be deterred I came home to prepare more and tried again. Again he did the same, accepted it all but passed it shortly after. Any suggestions please.

I had a good talk with the farmer and he told me a huge list of medication that they have tried on calvin, the vet has previously been involved as well. He is happy for me to continue but when asked what he thought his survival rate was he said just 20%, as it was too long before they realised how bad he was. He has been not able to walk properly for a week and a half now.

I feel the viruses can be overcome by the MMS or CDS but I am just not managing to get it inside him sufficiently. I will return again very soon to give him CDS orally but I really feel rectally is the way to go if I can just keep it inside him. Its strange that I got half a liter(500ml) in there and stood him up before it came out yet now I cant even get 60 ml to stay in. surely its not the CDS? I may try half the amount of CDS and see how I fare

thanks for reading, I know ultimately the choices are mine to make but its REALLY nice to share the experience with people who are willing to share their thoughts and opinions

Damian

Damian,

Sorry for not following your previous posts... but, you said you did, or did not try injecting CDS into him ? If not, I was/am unclear why you haven't tried that.

And when you are doing enemas.... (and again, forgive me for not seeing it)... are you laying your animal on the ground, on its side, and letting the water fall in by gravity ? Cause if its forced in, it can & will come out just as fast.... but, warm solution going in, say 8 oz at a time, and wait 30 seconds, etc..... may be more effective. As this is how an enema is to be given to a real person... the goal is NOT to stimulate peristalsis (contractions) of the colon, but rather let it sit in as long as possible to be absorbed.

I'm not a vet.... but again, I feel the same goes for our 4 legged friends.



Clint

Hi Clint I have not injected him with CDS due to confusion on how to prepare it(to inject). I have seen Andreas Kalcker make it in a saline solution which I thought could then be injected into the muscle or fat. I thought all I had to do was get the correct saline solution to make the CDS. However I have read on another thread that saline will deactivate the CDS, and now I have more info saying to make an Isotonic solution, add the CDS to this and raise PH accordingly with unactivated MMS. No quantities were given regarding this last preparation and I am unsure how to proceed. The situation is becoming so dire with the calf involved that I would love to know how to prepare an injectable solution but have so much conflicting information. Thanks for the enema info

Damian,

I think I remember correctly, Michael told me that (and forgive me f I'm wrong Michael) it's OK to put the CDS into a Saline solution (from a Saline IV bag) and then inject it into the muscle tissue. But that it was the baking soda mixed with the CDS that inactivated it that was the problem.

If you go to a Seed & Feed store, you can get say a large 60ml syringe, and first suck up 10ml of 3000ppi CDS from a shot glass....then, suck up from the saline bag the remaining saline solution to fill the syringe (approx 50ml)

I might use the rump muscle, since it's the biggest, and slowly inject it all in there. Since he's a small calf (if I remember correctly) I'd say it's ok to use 10ml each dose to start off with.

This is not professional advice, but just a suggestion, and a place to start ... IF, that is, you can get a large enough syringe and about about a 10-15 gauge needle to inject. A feed store should have all this, depending on where you live Damian.

Clint

Only caution I can thing of is that somewhere I read that it hurts or stings going in.

True Horsefeathers, for a human being it does... but a calf has a lot more body weight, and a bigger muscle than any human... if the calf twitches badly when injecting, than I'd say use less CDS... but if I remember correctly, Andreas injected a lot more than just 10ml.

A person can always inject a syringe with 5ml's of CDS ... twice (as one session) if it stings bad for the animal.


Clint

It does. Andreas felt that by using additional inactivated MMS (which is high PH) = just a little, (don't have the percentages - but I know that when Janet got her sting ray bite, he used 2 drops per mL of CDS), they were raising the ph of the CDS. I'm sending you a PM, please pick it up, drgreen.