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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 17 Jun 2013 08:32 #33853

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Thank you for the instructions Pam.

I get too much pain with the bloating to wait for something to arrive from the States so will begin a search for suitable equipment here.

Ok, in the meantime, until I get set up to make CDS, I will have to darn well drop my dose to that 1 drop split 8 times.
One drop a day....I'm disappointed about that, but I cant eat due to the bloating and I'm wasting away. I now weigh barely 46kg or about 100 pounds (5' 5 1/2" tall). Too skinny. And it's only because the MMS has cut my appetite and bloated me. (Did I mention bloat? ha ha)

So i am very grateful to you Pam for your suggestions. And also to all the info from other members on this forum. I've had a look at the CDS threads too. I think the hardest part will be working out the ppm and then the dose for me.

Thanks to all for your input, really appreciate it.

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 18 Jun 2013 10:17 #33879

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I have completed one day of the 8oz baby bottle method.

I put 1 activated drop of MMS into 240ml (8oz) of water in a jar and drank hourly 30ml (1oz) for 8 doses.

I felt more comfortable during the day.
But became bloated when I had a cup of pumpkin soup at lunchtime. The bloat went down in about an hour.
Then dinnertime another soup and a persimmon – the most I’ve eaten in one meal for a long time. I’ve also had 2 aloe leaves today. That’s all.

It’s 10pm and I’m bloated. Not nearly as burstingly painful as on other days, but quite uncomfortable. I feel the bloat is part of my condition (cancer in the peritoneum and ascites). Caused by inflammation I suppose. I look 4 months pregnant at night. I think the bloat is exacerbated by the MMS (at higher dose), because at only one drop all day it isn’t at the same severe degree.

I feel downhearted and worried because I had great hopes for MMS to be my main ‘cancer killer’ with other things such as organic diet as support. Now I feel fairly bereft of a treatment.
I will have to try harder to get CDS equipment. Difficult for me to go shopping and my husband idoesn't have a lot of time as he is now the only breadwinner…I’m out of action.

I’m still puzzling over it – I don’t really have nausea and definitely never had diarrhea from MMS. So I don’t know what's going on.

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 18 Jun 2013 13:52 #33881

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I wonder if the bloat is caused by die-off from the pathogens... If that's the case, Elli, I don't have to tell you that you're really toxic. I would assume you're eating small amounts - basically grazing.

Have a friend here with brain cancer and he can't do the MMS activated in a soft drink - it causes him to bloat...

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 19 Jun 2013 02:43 #33903

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If I am that toxic (inarguably so if I have cancer), don’t know how I got to be like this.

I take medicinal herbs for years now, doing at least a yearly intestinal cleanse. I have moved a lot of plaque from my bowel.

I ate healthily – lots of fruit and veg, low to no refined foods, bio-dynamic milk,yog,kefir (strictly tested farm). Free-range eggs. Whole grains – rice, buckwheat, quinoa. No bread/pasta/pastry.

Occasional treats of baking but really very little refined flour and sugar. Dark chocolate (sugar).

But yes - I am eating only small amounts now. I can hardly eat anything at all. Today juicing only. Trying to get easily digested nutrients into me because this afternoon I have to take the chemical laxative drinks in prep for colonoscopy and gastroscopy tomorrow.

I’m doing 2 drops MMS today (baby bottle method). Feeling ok, no bloat. Don’t know how I will do MMS tomorrow, don’t want to miss a day but will be in hospital , nil by mouth untl late afternoon.

Good news…Have found jars!

Metal lid but it's this or nothing. I've tried to show the lid is in 2 parts. The inside is plastic coated.


This is to show the air gap when filled with 240ml water. Is that gap too big?
It is definitely a 500ml jar and 2cm diam votive. With this gap am I likely to get the right concentration? I have not found test strips yet.


Thank you for any advice.
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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 19 Jun 2013 05:20 #33907

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Elli that bottle looks great! The metal cap will corrode eventually, but will work for now. I think you will be able to find a plastic lid that will fit. You might have to buy a few bottles of whatever to find one!

Don't worry about the gap as it should not make much difference. The open surface area of both is important, but mainly the reactor. It looks to be made of glass and will probably not float when filled with 12 ml of MMSU and 12 ml of 50% citric acid. When you get ClO2 testing strips you can measure the CDS ppm and adjust the solution amounts if not 3000 ppm. You can use other ppm solutions, just refer to the dosing chart to determine the proper amount of CDS to use.

I wish you the best tomorrow and I am sure many here will be praying for good results!
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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 19 Jun 2013 06:55 #33910

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Hi Elli,

I know you already have the stuff to do the CDS and that's great - that might be the best way for you to go. However, I want to give you another alternative method of taking making MMS, that may help with your bloating. It's called the New 7 Day Fridge MMS and it seems to be much easier on the stomach, similar to CDS but with more ingredients left in it which may have some therapeutic benefit (don't know for sure). My recipe calls for 25% citric acid but you should be able to replace that with lemon juice instead. Here's the link to the topic:

g2cforum.org/index.php/list/mms-discussion-and-information/26232-new-7-day-fridge-mms-25-citric-acid

By the way, I'm interested in getting your paper on the black salve, and so will send you a PM.

May you be happy and health :)
Scott

PS. We're practically neighbors - I live in Jakarta, Indonesia :)
I'm Scott McRae, creator of "The Antidote" & CDH with CLO2's help (Charlotte Lackney)

- I did a CDH injection / Chlorine Dioxide (CLO2) injection / IV push of 10ml of dilute 50ppm CDH / CLO2 into my blood 3 times in 11 hours & did before & after blood tests that showed that it did NO HARM to my blood, liver or kidneys. This suggests the possibility that CDH / CLO2 is a potential LIFESAVING MRSA cure, VRE cure, CRE cure, AMR cure, Ebola cure, HIV cure, Cancer cure, etc., since it appears to be safe intravenously at 50ppm.

- Join our group on MiWi (was deleted off of Facebook): mewe.com/join/coronavirusebolasolutions
- Every ml of CDH contains 1 drop of MMS, so 1 drop of MMS = 1ml of CDH
- MMS is 7 to 10% activated in 30 seconds while CDH made with 4% HCl is about 50% activated in the bottle. This is why CDH is far less nauseating than MMS drops

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 19 Jun 2013 11:59 #33911

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This oxidant vs anti oxidant issue is quite confusing as well as controversial and I personally don't believe anyone yet knows enough about it to form a solid opinon based on research or even antetodal evidence. If you look at the gerson therapy cancer is sometimes cured with anti-oxidants as found in all the juices. If you look at ozone therapy cancer is sometimes cured with oxidants. Same for mms. Nothing can claim across the board cure. Vitamin c cures some cancers but it surely does not work across the board. Clearly both are needed for life of the cell. The greatest oxidant there is is oxygen! and all our fresh foods are loaded with anti-oxidants. I think that somewhere in there is the requirement of balance to maintain health and then swinging the pendulum just right to regain health.

There is only one thing that I have heard of that cures all cancer and that is the Rick Simpson oil but is extremely hard to get. Now is that an oxidant or antioxidant? It may work on a totally differnt level.

If I had ovarian cancer Id be doing ozone vaginal insuffilations along with the mms.
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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 19 Jun 2013 22:44 #33927

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Thanks JB for that and I haven't forgotten I've seen a pm from you ....will reply soon.
Yes the reactor is glass. I'm all set to make CDS as soon as I get out of hospital today.
DISTILLED WATER: One more question - We have an excellent source of clean, chemical-free, parasite-free spring water which we drink. Locals and travelers collect it regularly. Is this useable for the CDS? I'm thinking not because it would require the gradient pull of distilled water to 'suck in' the gas, but thought I would ask.

JAR LID: I found a plastic lid at home! I thought it was perfect but my husband is stronger than me and if he kept twisting it on it would loosen off again. He thought it might leak gas.
So I found some insulation tape, stuck it around the inside of the lid and it fits perfectly. Even hubby's big hands cant unthread it. It's a bit pathetic that my life has reached such a point that I'm excited about this ha ha.

TEST STRIPS: It's going to cost me $30 including postage to get the test strips. I'm going to hunt around in NZ for another couple of days and then order from the US.
Does anyone know the sort of company that deals with them? I've seen them online in NZ for over $70 !!
www.bits4farms.co.nz/products/irrigation-and-drainage/general1/chlorine-dioxide-test-strips.aspx
Maybe I should just order from the states and be done.

Truthquester Scott - thank you very much for that amazing information. I am feeling a little overwhelmed at the moment and have only just got all the guff together for the CDS but when I'm feeling more creative I will certainly be interested to experiment with your method.
Practically neighbours LOL. Yes you are only 7 or 8 thousand kilometres away...you and your wife could pop in for a carrot juice when you're in the area!
Thanks for your pm, I will send soon.

Arrow - interesting comments about oxidants, I have become confused and tend to like the idea of taking lypo C in the latter part of the day away from MMS.
I looked up the oil and see it is hemp oil, not hemp seed oil. Today is not the day for me but I will google it some more.

I want to take on board the good things that people suggest, but I must also take care not to complicate my treatment. More than one person has told me I complex things too much. And it's a complex structure that is now in my belly.
I agree with the pathogen theory of cancer creation. But I think there is a spiritual, emotional step before that. For me...I'm thinking it's stress which I have had a lot of, which was just starting to ease a little and then I discovered cancer. Stress (or rather mis-managed stress) weakens the immune system, which allows pathogens to thrive despite the best food and supplements. But stress and wrong thinking is also a block to God, no matter how many prayers of gratitude I say daily... what am I really thinking and worrying about that negates all my verbals to my Heavenly Father. He is the ultimate healer....He gives tools such as MMS, but we can't focus on the tools alone. Extrapolate that to whatever spiritual system you believe in, I am just sharing my feelings with a bunch of total strangers (albeit lovely ones) - yikes!

I apologize to Pam for totally hijacking this thread...that is a sin on most forums I think! Sorry.

Thanks for listening. And thank you for all the amazing information and your experiences that you are all sharing. Thank you!

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 19 Jun 2013 23:16 #33928

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Hi, Elli.

Yes, all this info is a bit overwhelming! But, all needs to be considered.

I think you really need to use "empty" water which is distilled water. I used to buy it at the grocery store, but now make it at home. Am now making more as I ran out this morning testing Scott's 7 Day fridge method. It looks interesting. Scott, check your PM!

For LaMotte high range ClO2 test strips, try here:
weberscientific.com/app/catalog/index.php
Enter 5049-09 in their "search catalog" window.
Click on the result and you will see the price is $8.04 US.
Have no idea of the shipping cost to NZ, however, if they will ship to NZ.
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