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10 Jun 2012 02:09 #18485
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Hello fellow MMS-ers,
I have been on MMS for 71 Days. I quickly built up to 6-drops hourly over 8 hours within the first week. I have recently reduced my hourly drops to 3-4 as I started to get watery diarrhea.
I have now developed a chest pain. It hurts to take deep breaths in. I have had this symptom before and was told I had pneumonia. However, the Dr confirmed that it was a chest infection and not pneumonia as I was not coughing-up phlegm, a classic symptom of pneumonia.
It was a serious nasty chest infection. I could hardly breathe, eat, walk or talk and had to go to A&E. Breathing was so painful as I had a sharp pain for every breath I took. I was given a strong antibiotic and eventually the pain subsided and the infection cleared.
My question is this, Why would I be developing a chest infection if I have been on MMS for over 2 months taking excess of the basic protocol 1000?
I know I should not make assumptions, assuming this is the onset of a chest infection BUT the symptoms/feelings of chest pains feels like the same as the previous infection.
Could it be attributed to the fact that I have recently (like in the last week) reduced my hourly drops from 6 to 3-4?
AND, what is the protocol for chest infections?
Regards
I have been on MMS for 71 Days. I quickly built up to 6-drops hourly over 8 hours within the first week. I have recently reduced my hourly drops to 3-4 as I started to get watery diarrhea.
I have now developed a chest pain. It hurts to take deep breaths in. I have had this symptom before and was told I had pneumonia. However, the Dr confirmed that it was a chest infection and not pneumonia as I was not coughing-up phlegm, a classic symptom of pneumonia.
It was a serious nasty chest infection. I could hardly breathe, eat, walk or talk and had to go to A&E. Breathing was so painful as I had a sharp pain for every breath I took. I was given a strong antibiotic and eventually the pain subsided and the infection cleared.
My question is this, Why would I be developing a chest infection if I have been on MMS for over 2 months taking excess of the basic protocol 1000?
I know I should not make assumptions, assuming this is the onset of a chest infection BUT the symptoms/feelings of chest pains feels like the same as the previous infection.
Could it be attributed to the fact that I have recently (like in the last week) reduced my hourly drops from 6 to 3-4?
AND, what is the protocol for chest infections?
Regards
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12 Jun 2012 07:15 #18625
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Hi Delite,
I haven't read any other parts of your story that you may have shared on the forum here. You have a difficult case here and there may be clues that would explain what has happened if I had more info.
Our bodies are complex and our situations are complicated. I have been on MMS for a long time and I keep showing very gradual improvement. There are ups and downs.
Depending on how old you are and how many problems you have had for how long, what you are describing here may be an overall improvement if it is necessary for the path of wellness. I know it seems like 2 mos. of MMS at higher doses would eliminate all problems and pathogens, but it may well not, depending on your state of health.
You may only be scratching the surface of your problems. I wonder if your chest problems are parasite caused. Kerri Rivera who is accomplishing so much with autistic kids is finding an enormous amount of parasite involvement in their problems. Andreas Kalcker is finding this as well. It also is becoming evident that MMS alone may not stop all the parasites.
All these people and Jim and the Church are working to come up with parasite protocols that can help in these difficult cases. When the info becomes available, then we are trying to get it out as soon as possible. For now, you may want to watch all the Kerri and Andreas videos and webinars.
I have also been finding that when you have been on hourly doses for a long time, you need to be careful to reduce the dose gradually. Your body may be depending on those doses to hold pathogens and parasites in check and then when you remove the MMS, your body may lose the battle. If you can win the battle against the parasites and restore your health, then you will not be dependent on the MMS, but while there is still a battle raging in your body, you need to be careful about reducing dose to the extent that you can.
Fighting these parasites is not easy and it requires going after them with many weapons. For now, just keep experimenting with the tools we have available and learn what works for you. That is what I am doing because I think I probably have some parasite problems too.
Also experiment with our diet because we need to be careful not to feed the parasites with our diet. Feeding the parasites makes them stronger and then it does not matter how much MMS you take, they will survive and thrive. Taking supplements and high quality food can also feed the parasites. Andreas has mentioned that. This may be one reason that poor people with poor diets respond more quickly and easily to MMS. I have had to change my diet tremendously to be making the progress that I have made in the last year.
In this case you had to reduce your dose because of the diarrhea. If you cannot replace what you reduced with something else, such as MMS2 or CDS, then you have to suffer through the possible withdrawal reactions such as this that might be a resurgence of parasites/pathogens, or might be something else we have not considered yet.
Depending on how sick your body may be, it can take a lot of patience and persistence for you to make gradual improvement. These are some things I have learned along this path.
Michael
I haven't read any other parts of your story that you may have shared on the forum here. You have a difficult case here and there may be clues that would explain what has happened if I had more info.
Our bodies are complex and our situations are complicated. I have been on MMS for a long time and I keep showing very gradual improvement. There are ups and downs.
Depending on how old you are and how many problems you have had for how long, what you are describing here may be an overall improvement if it is necessary for the path of wellness. I know it seems like 2 mos. of MMS at higher doses would eliminate all problems and pathogens, but it may well not, depending on your state of health.
You may only be scratching the surface of your problems. I wonder if your chest problems are parasite caused. Kerri Rivera who is accomplishing so much with autistic kids is finding an enormous amount of parasite involvement in their problems. Andreas Kalcker is finding this as well. It also is becoming evident that MMS alone may not stop all the parasites.
All these people and Jim and the Church are working to come up with parasite protocols that can help in these difficult cases. When the info becomes available, then we are trying to get it out as soon as possible. For now, you may want to watch all the Kerri and Andreas videos and webinars.
I have also been finding that when you have been on hourly doses for a long time, you need to be careful to reduce the dose gradually. Your body may be depending on those doses to hold pathogens and parasites in check and then when you remove the MMS, your body may lose the battle. If you can win the battle against the parasites and restore your health, then you will not be dependent on the MMS, but while there is still a battle raging in your body, you need to be careful about reducing dose to the extent that you can.
Fighting these parasites is not easy and it requires going after them with many weapons. For now, just keep experimenting with the tools we have available and learn what works for you. That is what I am doing because I think I probably have some parasite problems too.
Also experiment with our diet because we need to be careful not to feed the parasites with our diet. Feeding the parasites makes them stronger and then it does not matter how much MMS you take, they will survive and thrive. Taking supplements and high quality food can also feed the parasites. Andreas has mentioned that. This may be one reason that poor people with poor diets respond more quickly and easily to MMS. I have had to change my diet tremendously to be making the progress that I have made in the last year.
In this case you had to reduce your dose because of the diarrhea. If you cannot replace what you reduced with something else, such as MMS2 or CDS, then you have to suffer through the possible withdrawal reactions such as this that might be a resurgence of parasites/pathogens, or might be something else we have not considered yet.
Depending on how sick your body may be, it can take a lot of patience and persistence for you to make gradual improvement. These are some things I have learned along this path.
Michael
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12 Jun 2012 07:21 #18627
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The basic protocol for a chest infection would be protocol 1000. Since you are already on that, then you might want to add MMS2 or CDS and see if that helps. The 2 drop inhalation technique might help too. Bag and bath protocols might help you also. Oral CDS is always the most effective thing I can use for my lung congestion.
Michael
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12 Jun 2012 08:58 #18636
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Delite there could be other causes for the chest pain......with out any labs or clincal evaluation, I have a feeling that you had & are having episodes of costal chondritis.
Just my thoughts.
Just my thoughts.
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12 Jun 2012 09:30 #18637
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@ Johans.....
Never heard of it before but the chest pain has gone.
Thanks all the same.
And thanks Michael.
Never heard of it before but the chest pain has gone.
Thanks all the same.
And thanks Michael.
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12 Jun 2012 16:37 #18650
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@Delite
another name for it is Tietz's syndrome.
another name for it is Tietz's syndrome.
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12 Jun 2012 18:02 #18652
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@Michael
I agree with your comments here. I have been on and off mms for 5 years now and have experienced many of the things you mention. My thinking has evolved over this time on mms and how to apply it (new protocals) along with other supplements - coconut oil, aloe vera, astralagus, zinc, selenium. liver cleanse support.
Also what am I trying to get rid of: virus? parasite? fungus? or past infections like mono, measles, chicken pox and countless flus. Tying this all in with Delite's symptons, it becomes very frustrating battling one thing - say herpes - and then chest pain arrives or an outbreak occurs or fatigue and you don't know what's going on.
I run 2-3 km every second day and a number of times a sharp pain happens in the left kidney region of my back. It felt as if someone was stabbing me in the back...(that happens regularly but I know the people who are doing it lol)...I couldn't take a breath and I had to stop....What could that be? die off of current problem?, a previous infection clearing out of my kidney? who knows...but I continued the mms and it gradually got better over a week. Now whenever I feel it coming on (once a month) it's not nearly as bad it was and I run thru the limited pain.
I guess the key is to keep doing the mms protocol that targets your particular pathogen(s) and put up with the side effects...
@Delite
I thought the chest pains were die off, or the removal of a previous infection or a new infection.
I have read your other post about where the herpes virus settles into the nerves/spine/behind ears and it can also show up in the lungs - bronchitis, pnuemonia, skin - exczema, psoriasis, blisters and eyes - sties, "dark raccoon appearance" on the skin.
I have read that herpes eventually targets the organs in the body - that's why it's important to get rid of it.
Thanks and blessings.
I agree with your comments here. I have been on and off mms for 5 years now and have experienced many of the things you mention. My thinking has evolved over this time on mms and how to apply it (new protocals) along with other supplements - coconut oil, aloe vera, astralagus, zinc, selenium. liver cleanse support.
Also what am I trying to get rid of: virus? parasite? fungus? or past infections like mono, measles, chicken pox and countless flus. Tying this all in with Delite's symptons, it becomes very frustrating battling one thing - say herpes - and then chest pain arrives or an outbreak occurs or fatigue and you don't know what's going on.
I run 2-3 km every second day and a number of times a sharp pain happens in the left kidney region of my back. It felt as if someone was stabbing me in the back...(that happens regularly but I know the people who are doing it lol)...I couldn't take a breath and I had to stop....What could that be? die off of current problem?, a previous infection clearing out of my kidney? who knows...but I continued the mms and it gradually got better over a week. Now whenever I feel it coming on (once a month) it's not nearly as bad it was and I run thru the limited pain.
I guess the key is to keep doing the mms protocol that targets your particular pathogen(s) and put up with the side effects...
@Delite
I thought the chest pains were die off, or the removal of a previous infection or a new infection.
I have read your other post about where the herpes virus settles into the nerves/spine/behind ears and it can also show up in the lungs - bronchitis, pnuemonia, skin - exczema, psoriasis, blisters and eyes - sties, "dark raccoon appearance" on the skin.
I have read that herpes eventually targets the organs in the body - that's why it's important to get rid of it.
Thanks and blessings.
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12 Jun 2012 20:55 #18660
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Researcher....
I hope it was a die off and hope all the pathogen in me are dead, can only hope...lol
I hope it was a die off and hope all the pathogen in me are dead, can only hope...lol
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12 Jun 2012 21:28 #18662
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I really hope it's die off too. With all the mms you have taken it may very well be...I'll be looking for your test results.
All the best!
All the best!
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12 Jun 2012 21:46 #18663
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One thing I should have mentioned too. This is something that happens on the parasite protocols Kerri and Andreas are using. When the worms or parasites die, then a lot of viruses and pathogens that were living on the worms then get into your blood and body systems. This can cause a sudden feeling of getting a cold when it was actually the MMS killing off the larger parasites. Mothers with autistic kids on the parasite protocol have reported this.
These things get very complicated when we have larger parasites living in us. There may be a lot more behind a set of symptoms or an apparent set back than we realize.
Michael
These things get very complicated when we have larger parasites living in us. There may be a lot more behind a set of symptoms or an apparent set back than we realize.
Michael
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