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Tobacco user 16 Jun 2023 00:30 #79001

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Oh my goodness. Enoch,

Who would fund such a study? How would you even design it? How long do you think such a study would need to run, in order to convince anyone of a cause-and-effect relationship? How would you rule out 3rd variables? How would you blind (much less double-blind) and placebo control it?

Who would such a conspiracy benefit? How would it be monetized, or what advantage would it offer?

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Tobacco user 16 Jun 2023 01:00 #79002

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academic.oup.com/toxsci/article/64/1/4/1637703?login=false
A Short History of Lung Cancer
Hanspeter Witschi
Toxicological Sciences, Volume 64, Issue 1, November 2001, Pages 4–6, doi.org/10.1093/toxsci/64.1.4
Published: 01 November 2001

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Tobacco user 16 Jun 2023 01:22 #79003

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I'm sorry - I don't see how either of articles you linked supports a claim that smoking is benign, or that the idea that smoking is harmful is the result of a conspiracy.

(For sure, chemical additives make smoking *that much worse* for your health, than habitually smoking additive-free tobacco. That's reasonable.)

Could you please address the questions I asked, directly?

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Tobacco user 16 Jun 2023 02:01 #79004

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Hi Patience, I started smoking at 15, smoked for 20 years, and quit many times, always starting back up in response to certain triggers - stress, sadness, loneliness, relationship problems, frustration at work. My addiction was so bad that the moment I put the cigarette out (I smoked American Spirit s- Blue pack, or Menthols) I was already craving the next one, even though I still felt sick and dizzy from the one I'd just finished.

I quit a final time 11 years ago using Allen Carr's book, "The Easy Way to Stop Smoking." It really DID make it easy, and despite life being just as stressful and difficult as its always been, I've never again felt tempted to reach for a cigarette. I'm done, for good, and would never look back. I love being free from the addiction, the mucus, the sore throat, the reduced lung capacity, the frequent colds/flu, the smoker's breath, etc. Just wanted to share this resource with you, in hopes that it could do for you what it did for me.

You can start reading the book (or listening on Audible) while you're still smoking - in fact, I recommend it. It's an absolutely awesome book and his method 100% worked for me! I really don't think I could have just dropped it, so easily, and for good, without it.

Whatever you decide, I hope you reach all of your goals as soon as possible! Wishing you radiant health, and deep peace. :)

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Tobacco user 16 Jun 2023 02:36 #79008

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I don't care what you can or can't see. I'm not the one who can't post a study to prove smoking causes cancer.

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Tobacco user 16 Jun 2023 02:55 #79011

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But you're the one who can't post an outline for how such a study would even be feasible, so....

And, you're the one who can't show how your links support your claim.

Anyways, thanks for the convo, and have a nice day.

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Tobacco user 16 Jun 2023 03:00 #79012

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All you have are excuses and biased opinions. I just post the facts. Believe what you want. I'm not twisting your arm.

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Tobacco user 22 Jun 2023 11:00 #79102

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A short history of lung cancer proves me right. The fact that tobacco has been smoked for over 4000 years yet lung cancer only appeared during the industrial revolution and that smoking tobacco was used to treat lung issues by ancient cultures again proves the folly in pushing the smoking causes cancer lie.
I simply follow the facts. Call that what you will.

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Tobacco user 22 Jun 2023 13:10 #79114

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There is a big difference between pure tobacco and what is in the cigarettes of today. Tobacco, like most plants, is medicinal. Nicotine is the predominant substance in tobacco and was purported as being addictive. Since all, or the vast majority, of our cells have nicotine receptors that hypothesis made a lot of sense. Harvard set out to measure how addictive nicotine was and ended up discovering that nicotine was not addictive at all. Ironically, only 2% of all CV cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were among smokers...the opposite of what was claimed would be the case at the onset of the supposed pandemic. It turns out nicotine displaces the spike protein which binds to the nicotine receptors, thus reducing the possibility of infection, hospitalization, and death.

As for cancer, it is widely known (and accepted in academic circles) that the added ingredients in cigarettes are addictive and carcinogenic. Tobacco on its own is not a problem, the highly processed varieties are toxic and should be avoided...much like all the fake food like products in grocery stores. As in all things the amount of anything can prove to be detrimental to the human body. Ancient societies used tobacco in rituals and as a medicine and not as an all day every day item. It's no different than eating cake 10-20 times a day, eventually you may encounter a problem unless you are metabolically optimal which is why there are examples of old school farmers etc smoking 3 packs of filter less cigarettes a day and living well into their 90s...I happened to be fortunate enough to know one such man. He, of course, would say that the idea of smoking causing cancer was hogwash. I also happened to know someone who died from lung cancer due to smoking. One smoker farmed a multi-acre field by hand with a hoe and the other had a cushy office job...you be the judge.
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